End of Kanan, Ezra & Ahsoka

Speculation is fun, but not when it goes into fantasy land. Leia is the "other." Its been known for decades. Lucas need to end the cycle to attempt to save what was left of his marriage. He needed to tie up loose ends and he took care of the "there is another" by making it Leia. Was that his original intent? Probably not, but trying to make Ashoka the "other" is retconning at its worst. It's a horrible idea nd hopefully one the story group will not even consider.

 

Literally the only reason I remembered that is because I watched that episode again a day ago.

 

The answer is actually pretty simple. Kanan does die a heroic death. Ashoka isn't a Jedi, she left the order. She's a light side force user. Ezra could reject the Jedi, without falling to the dark side. Ezra wants to use the dark side to save his mentor, Kanan stops him. Kanan in process saves the rebellion but not himself. Ezra walks away disparaged.

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It's a BIG WAR and an even BIGGER galaxy and an even BIGGER universe.

Yoda can be telling the truth as he sees it and it not undermined Luke. The son of Vader still is the hero no matter how many times Han saves him.

 

hmmm I'm tempted to agree with our Canadian friend.

However if this is the retcon its the one I would let slide.

Yoda like the rest of us might believe Ashoka is dead.

We don't know what is going to go down with Ezra and Kanan but they might end ambiguously with the possibility of an anthology film.

I wonder if Ashoka is going to end up like the Bendu. She lives on as some sort of elemental power like the Bendu but unreliable or limited in some way.

All that said.

The reason I ventured here to the Rebels form was to actually talk about this very subject.


What if they return to Mortis.
Imagine Ezra falls to the Darkside, Ashoka calls out to Kanan through the force. And Ashoka feels compelled to step into the fathers role because she feels guilt that she was unable to reach Anakin. She becomes the mother. Kanan and Ezra once master and apprentice now are eternal adversaries light and dark.

 

Agree with you that they all need to go (somehow) however Han saved Luke's farm boy a$$ when he took Vader out of the game during the trench run - without that, pretty sure Vader blows Luke into spacedust

 

Yeah that was precisly why I was think of the Mortis Arc. The would be out there but not accessible and even though the audience might know they lived their new purpose and roll is separate from being free to roam the galaxy and help out. Its a convient limbo location.

 

She's not a Jedi. Only those who subscribe to the lifestyle and ways of the Jedi are considered Jedi. She walked away from that life, so she can't be a Jedi and it doesn't undermine Luke. Ezra and Kanan. That's tricky. Kanan was trained and fancies himself as a Jedi. Ezra is "training" to be a Jedi - in whatever way he can train. Does it mean they die? Maybe.

But Ahsoka as the "other"? Nope. No. Nope. Nada. No. Nope. It's a huge reach. The movies have to be able to stand on their own without help from the comics, stand alone movies and tv series. Those have always been supplements to the main story. You can't retcon Ahsoka as the other without completely undermining the story being told.

Somehow their pieces have to be moved off the chess board. The galaxy is a big place. My gut feeling is they sacrifice themselves for the greater good and only Hera and Chopper survive until the Battle of Scarif.

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Why?

 

... The TIE Pilot panicked because of Han showing up. That wouldn't have happened otherwise, so yeah, Han definitely did do something. No Han, Luke dies, plain and simple.

 

Little confused why we're still referring to Ahsoka as a Jedi...

Anyway, let's just imagine for a moment that this guy is Ezra...


Why? What purpose do we think it might serve to have an old Ezra in the next film (outside of the obvious fan service)?

 

So absolute. ...Really?

Hey- I actually agree with the "Ahsoka will be removed from the game"
-perspective. My bet is- that at whichever level, Ahsoka will be absolutely "pulled from the team". (I think/hope she will receive an excellent send-off— her story will predictably end on a brilliant and inspiring note.)

But-- as I myself have exhaustingly repeated: All that is required in a successful sci-fi/fantasy genre, (in which "satisfactory realism" adheres to VERY wide margins) is "excellent storytelling".

The continuing stated fact that *you* yourself see no other venues for Ahsoka is merely an indication of a potentially narrow perspective and a general lack of imagination. I tell you- to a half-assed writer, the possible (good) storytelling venues for Ahsoka's future are (almost) literally limitless!

 

do you really think that the OT can be undermined if there are a few who survived the purge?

this is how i see the the events of the OT, in regards to Luke being 'last of the Jedi'

Luke Skywalker is the only one who can make a difference, and was the only one who ever could. During the time between ROTS and ANH.. Yoda and Kenobi could quite easily have fought on and tried to take the emperor out.. but Yoda knew they had to wait.. that it had to be a Skywalker.

what i'm saying is that it doesn't matter if any other Jedi survived the purge, or what happens to Kanan/Ezra.. everything depended on the children of Anakin Skywalker when the time was right.

This is why.. in my opinion, that the Original story can never be undermined. if that makes sense?

after saying all of that.. i'm going to agree with you that there will be no Jedi surviving rebels. Kanan will sadly perish, Ezra will not have gained his Jedi knight certificate. Ahsoka .. i want her to survive, but she will undoubtedly have another date with her former master in the final season. so we'll see, but i'm worried bout her.

what won't happen, is some mass cull. game of thrones style. my eight yr old watches the show and she literally loves Ezra.

would you really call that fan service?

Potentially using a character that they themselves have recently placed into the GFFA?

whilst i don't particularly think that Ezra will make an appearance in a live action film... at some point or another, a major character in a movie will originate from a SW animated show.

 

But she's not a Jedi. Rules have been laid out by these stories already. She walked away from the Order. Which means she doesn't live by a Jedi code. She's not a Jedi. Just as there are no "dark" Jedi or "grey" Jedi. If you don't live your life by a code than you can't consider yourself part of it.

And she's not "alive." But she can still be "around." She's not a Force Ghost, but apparently she is possibly transferred her essence into a wolf. Whatever. If its a good story then I'm fine with it. Her story surrounded Anakin and her friendship with him. Not Anakin's kids. Her story didn't even surround Anakin's fall - just his time as a Jedi. Her name is never uttered in a live-action movie. And, if we're talking about the main story, the Chapter films are the main story. Everything else is supplemental. Since she's not in a nor referred to in a Chapter film, then in reality she has no purpose in the main story. In my book, I look at the Chapter Films as incorporating the most important information. Everything else is just a supplement and not nearly as important.

For example: Anakin falls because he's afraid to lose Padme and afraid that if Palp's is killed by the Jedi, he won't be able to save Padme. I'm sure he was in some kind of pain about losing Ahsoka, which was like losing a sister and huge supporter. But, in the end, he turned because of Padme. We can say all we want about his lack of ability to handle loss in general. But in the end, he took steps to the dark when he lost his mom and fully fell when he was afraid of losing Padme. The Clone Wars cartoon series does not undermine this fact in any way.

Ahsoka as fans know her "died" in the season 2 finale of Rebels. Her purpose will be to help Kanan and Ezra at some point in her "after-life". Her purpose in the story was never and won't be tied to Luke or Leia. Thus it really can't undermine Luke's story.

If she was alive and Jedi but in exile - then sure, yes, it would. But that's not the case.

If you want nuance incorporate all the extra supplements into your Star Wars fandom. If you want big picture then just stick with the Chapter movies and disregard everything else because in the end what happens in the Chapter films are the only parts of the story that truly "matter" on a grand sense. For example this is one reason why I don't believe the Mortis Arc of the Clone Wars series will or should directly impact the movies in any way. Can the Arc enhance? Sure. But it won't be required watching to enjoy or understand the movie. The same can be said for Ahsoka. She's not a required character for enjoying or understanding the overall story.

The only way an Ezra or Ahsoka could undermine things is they show up in the ST. Which won't happen.

 

That's the point of my post. I'm genuinely curious.

While fanservice is certainly a possibility, I was just wondering what role Ezra might possibly play if it's a deeper one.

 

I know that part of the reason Legends was retconned was because it was such a mess, but it was filled to the brim of Jedi who escaped the purge.

There were actually roughly a dozen that I count that even fought alongside Luke against the Empire during various times.

Was that right? Well, that's pretty subjective. It does conflict with some of Yoda says and may seem to cheapen Luke's story. But also keep in mind two things-

1) Luke, especially Legends Luke, is basically the most powerful jedi ever. He didn't need to be the only remaining jedi to be special.
2) The galaxy is a huge place, and the Jedi were a relatively large order. It really only makes sense that there'd be some that survived up through the GCW.

Still, I personally agree with you- Luke's story suffers a little when more Jedi exist. But I don't think that's really proof of anything that'll happen in Rebels.