End of Kanan, Ezra & Ahsoka

ok, so how exactly do you factor in Yoda and Kenobi into the 'nonsense' ?

so your saying that if Ashoka had been around then she would have been alongside Luke? if Leia had also been a padawan like her brother (he was not a Jedi Knight when Yoda told him to face Vader) she would have been alongside him? your saying that If Ahsoka is about that she can call herself a Jedi again and start training more Jedi and that undermines the story?

Why exactly did Yoda spend 20 years doing nothing? why didn't he train more Jedi? 20 years??? why didn't Obi-wan train a few during the 20 years? you say it's all about Luke being the last.. but it's pretty clear to me that Yoda didn't want any more Jedi in the galaxy. hell he was even reluctant to train Luke, and Ben had to talk him into it.

it's interesting that he tells Luke to pass on what he learned to his sister right after that... seeing as I believe that Yoda was of the opinion that the Jedi should end. which it looks like will be Luke's opinion at some point in TLJ.

Yoda was more powerful than Luke, but that isn't what was needed. It wasn't about defeating the sith in my opinion.. it was about the chosen one and his family completing their journey.

just my humble opinions

only time will tell, maybe you are right.

I just don't get from watching the show that they can kill so many off.. and all in season 4. seems... a bit drastic and not very cartoony.

 

Luke doesn't know anything about them or has he been told anything about them.

And I don't think you understood my point. Ahsoka as fans have come to know her is dead. Ezra will see his fate revealed this season. The "other" hope is Leia because the films give no indication otherwise. My point was that Ashoka is not a Jedi but she's not going to be alive as fans know her so it doesn't matter in the end.

Ezra and Ashoka aren't kicking it around in the galaxy during the ROTJ events. Even in RO the only Jedi friend alluded to is Obi-Wan. If they were still alive even just before ANH etc then RO would have mentioned them in some way.

 

He had access to them and they said nothing about Kanan, Ezra and Ahsoka. So - its pretty easy to deduce they can't help.

Yoda never says "train more Jedi." He simply says pass on what you have learned. Luke is free to take that advice any way he wants. The assumption is make more Jedi. But the line can easily be retconned - just as the "other" was retconned to be Leia.

 

ok, well if we don't ignore parts of the movie.. then the Jedi actually became extinct when Yoda died.. yes? seeing as he told Luke that he wouldn't be a jedi until he faced vader.

do you concede that Yoda did not train anyone between ROTS and TESB ?
do you concede that Kenobi did not train anyone between ROTS and TESB ?

do you concede that Yoda did not want to train Luke?

2 Jedi masters trying to save the Jedi... and yet they are hiding.. not training anyone. not looking for force sensitives.

Obi-Wan was in his prime after ROTS.. the dude sliced and diced the all powerful chosen one. Please give logic to this ultra powerful Jedi becoming only a baby sitter and NOT training any new Jedi... if the Jedi surviving was their plan.

the plan to save the Jedi was to wait 20 years, and then start training the son of Skywalker and only him 5 minutes before throwing him at Vader and Sheev?

It wasn't because he was the only Jedi.. it was because he was a New Hope. What i'm suggesting is that Luke's power.. his love changed Yoda's mind.

 

Maybe not?

Again, the Yoda thing is a decent point, but it's not the end all be all.

There are countless hypothetical scenarios to explain why Yoda didn't tell Luke about other Jedi. I can literally make up one off the top of my head:

Is it a stretch? Sure, and I have almost no confidence that it's right. (And technically it's three theories in one, as I gave three possible reasons in that scenario alone why Yoda withheld the information.) But out of the countless theories that are out there, it's very possible that one could indeed end up being right. After all, Yoda and Kenobi are infamous for not being wholly truthful with Luke. Why be so naively trusting all of a sudden? So, I'm afraid that...

 

But it doesn't have to.

The explanation I gave on a whim was a solid enough one to both address why Yoda refers to Luke as the last of the Jedi, as well as why the survivors don't help out Luke during the GCW.

That really doesn't "kill the story" at all, and I was barely even trying. I bet Filoni could come up with something, if he doesn't want to slaughter half his cast.

 

Perhaps you missed the part in my example where Ezra and the gang are AWOL in the Unknown Regions...

Seems pretty much like Luke would still have to "stand on his own" to me, amigo.

 

I was never really trying argue against your point... as im not entirely sure of my own opinion. I definitely dont buy the idea that yoda would know if every single jedi.. including those like ahsoka had died, especially as they set the jedi beacon warning thingie.. so most wise jedi would have gone to ground where perhaps force users couldnt find them.

Ah thats not fair!! How are we supposed to work out the jedi when they are always bloody lying? lol

So, are we saying that the only jedi in existance are the elderly kenobi and yoda after the purge.. and that luke is so important (kenobi does kinda hint in rebels that he thinks he is guarding the chosen one) that they basically give up on the survival of the jedi?

Did yoda know that the hope for the galaxy was in fact anakin? and by proxy... his son getting through to him?

if they wanted sidious dead.. yoda and kenobi going after him shortly after rots was a far better bet than fast track training luke when yoda wasnt far from death.

 

Luke and Leia were most powerful potential force users due to their being Vader's children. They were the Last Hope to defeat Vader and the Emperor. Yoda had failed to defeat Emperor and OB1 was no where near powerful enough to face the Emperor or Vader in his old age.

Luke and Leia were by no means the last force sensitive beings in the universe. What about Bendu? He dead too?

If you say Ezra (who is not Jedi yet) and Ahsoka who left the order before becoming a "Jedi" you may as well also call Darth Vader a Jedi. He was indeed fully trained by the Jedi and made a Jedi Knight and even given a Padawan.

If Darth Vader can remove himself from being a Jedi then so can Ahsoka, Ezra and even Kanan. Kanan is one of three known living Jedi during the time line of Star Wars Rebels.

 

You're still assuming that she's in a position where that's an option for her.

I don't think you can make that assumption.

 

This is such a curious discussion...

I suggest this base notion-

If it were cleverly written- (in the wide enough space of time still remaining to tell such a story) -in such a way that Ahsoka was clearly and distinctly unable or unwilling to help Luke, (or even associate with the rebellion) before, during or even after the OT? ...You'd accept that, yes?

--Because that's something I can easily imagine, by no stretch of plausibility or detraction from the storyline. In fact, it may, in retrospect *enhance* the concept of "Luke is alone in this."

She clearly doesn't "have to" die, or even alter her state of existence -- (though I'm personally utterly convinced it'll come out that way- death/change -regardless, [as indicated by others above], it seems to have begun to happen already...)

...Man, (looks up) -do I rabidly overuse parentheses, or what? Sorry about that.

 

Once again (and I'm sorry I sound like a broken record) but you don't know that.

Reminds me of a line of dialogue from the recent Guardians movie.

Spoiler: GOTG VOL2 Minor Joke Spoilers

Peter and Drax have a bet on to what Mantis's antennae are for. Drax thinks they're for sensing doorframes to prevent decapitation. Peter wins the bet if they're for literally anything else.

No one here is saying that Ahsoka and/other Rebels force users won't die. Merely that they don't have to. Even if they do end up dying, that doesn't mean that they necessarily had to- just that that's how the story went.

@Jayardia's premise was more than generous. They're not asking you to come up with the reason- only that, should the reason exist that Ahsoka would be unavailable, would that suffice?