End of Kanan, Ezra & Ahsoka

You keep mixing the "facts". You state very boldly that everyone is wrong because they don't adhere to your "facts", which are somewhat really just your interpretation. Like the others that have posted, those are based in canon facts, but many are also in the interpretation of the true facts as Lucas intended (which is hard to say because that was rather fluid, and still is considering there are more stories to tell). Then, you quote the script as fact, when it is not even canon. There's other stuff in the scripts that I personally adhere to (particularly when it comes to Qui gon), but I don't consider them fact because...they simply aren't...

I 100% agree with your "fact" as stated here, but disagree with the conclusion you extrapolate in the last sentence as an absolute.

Luke (and maybe "the other" Skywalker) were the only hope to defeat Vader. Not just any old Jedi. Or any new Jedi. Only another Skywalker.

That leaves some wiggle room (yes small, but it is there, and it better be good) for there to be a valid in-story reason for other force users to be alive, but not in the OT viewport. Just because another force user is alive doesn't mean they would HAVE to help train Luke. Even if Yoda KNEW they were alive, does not unequivocally mean he would want their help in this case. Yoda and Obi Wan were on a mission that lasted decades - they may not have wanted other force using viewpoints to get in the way of their purpose.

As one hypothetical - we've already seen that Ahsoka could not defeat Vader, and from Yoda's standpoint, could be a serious risk of falling to Vader's coercion.The story could be written such that Yoda would not want Ahsoka anywhere around the situation - she could be seen as a conflict of interest or too great a risk. They didn't want Luke knowing Vader was his father...so why would they have Ahsoka there who may spill the beans.

Look, I value your viewpoint. I get it. But IMO you are holding on too tightly to a very narrow aspect of one conclusion, and run the risk of being very disappointed because you can only accept one way. Otherwise, your just trolling and we are all just buying into it (but I don't believe that to be the case).

I read these boards and see people all the time getting upset about an episode or movie - mostly because they preconceived what they thought would happen or wanted to see, and compared their plot with the actual one. It's happened to me, and I've learned to "let go" of my natural tendency to "figure it all out" before it actually comes out. I read your original post and that's exactly what I thought of, so I made a comment to hopefully broaden your expectations just a sliver, for what I perceived as being "for your sake". I never thought that would turn into pages of "nope, there's only one view - my view".

Please, let's stop.

 

Bendu could give Vader a run for his money. He exists. Ahsoka would have killed Darth Vader had he not had a helmet on. So it is not beyond reason that a non Jedi like Ahsoka could kill Vader. Her familiarity with Anakin was a Danger to Darth Vader. She left the Jedi and I believe she will make a decision that she will not interfere with Anakin any further and that she does not have it in her soul to kill him if she had the opportunity. Perhaps she did have that opportunity on Malachor. She may have spared Anakin after that explosion.

Being in the middle (like Bendu) is where Ahsoka evolves too. She was not a hope for OB1 and Yoda to defeat the Emperor and Vader. Just like Bendu that choice does not mean she is a passive, it just means she is not going to chose sides any longer or be an activist for one side or other.

She could have met Luke before he face Emperor and Vader or not. If she survived she could be around in the future to be in the ST or beyond. How long does her species live anyway?

I would LOVE to see Ahsoka continue into the future stories. I would just love it.

 

Ashoka only did so good in that fight because of who is in charge of Rebels.

 

I mean, it's fiction. Any character will do exactly as good as he or she is supposed to in a fight because of the creative decisions made by the team...

 

Ahsoka has, from the very beginning, been written as a highly intelligent, capable, tough, talented padawan, jedi, and ex-jedi. One who was TRAINED by Anakin. So it's hardly surprising that she was written to hold her own with him when the showdown finally happened. We also don't know if Vader truly wanted to kill her or not.

 

Yeah and Vader has got a career of killing just that type plenty with more experience then Ahsoka.

 

Make it stop....

 

With the exception of OB1, no one has as much knowledge of Anakin's fighting styles, weakness abilities. She learned nearly all her Jedi skills from him.

 

I think that
- Ezra will turn to the dark side
- Kanan will fight him and they both die
- Ahsoka has very small chance to return in season finale, so I dont think she survived the explosion at Malachor.

Peace out!!!

 

Haven't read it yet, but I think the fact that I have to explain to you that the Barash was only an example of literally infinite possibilities demonstrates that you still don't understand the discussion everyone else is having. If it was ended somehow, that doesn't really change things. Its introduction itself is all we're concerned with.

Also, let the thread die, dude. My god.

 

Correction- Barash ended up not being something that could explain this. Trust me, I'm not near so arrogant as to want or need it as an explanation for this. I, for one, am fully capable of rationalizing that Star Wars is a fictional setting, and writers can manipulate the world to what they need- so I didn't want or need Barash to be anything. It is what it is.

And oh buddy... from my very first post on Barash:

My statement doesn't change. Barash was, at the time, a plausible example. As this serial comic demonstates, as new information is made available, our perception of the circumstances of a fictional setting can change with it. In this particular case, yeah, the Barash thing ends up not working out. But the way that it unfolds literally demonstrates the point that I and others are trying to explain to you.

At one point, I would've said Barash was a plausible explanation. Now, we have information that explains that it isn't. I'm a little confused how you can see that logic when it helps your argument, but not when it doesn't...

 

Feel free to address literally any of the points that I've made on this silly thread, including those that you just sidestepped. Otherwise, again, I see no reason to waste my time with you.

 

I highly doubt they'll kill off any of the Rebels characters, at least in the show. The Ghost appeared in Rogue One, and you could argue it was destroyed, with everyone on board. If they didn't kill off Ahsoka at the end of season 2, when she fought Vader, they never will. She's a cash cow.

 

I don't see why Disney should kill some new, beloved, strong and well rounded characters, like Ashoka, to preserve an hypothetical coherence in very old and not necessarily better characters like Luke.
The rich and faceted details built in Ashoka through 5 seasons of Clone Wars and one season of Rebels are a big asset for Disney's business.
Why get rid of such value to keep just a bunch of new unproven characters like Rey or Poe Dameron.
It's like pretending to kill Ariel to be coherent with Andersen's novel. That's not how kids brains and hearts work ;-)