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SPECULATION Episode 9: the greatest Star Wars movie ever?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by DarthPilkington, Jan 31, 2018.

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    Episode 9 may very well be the end of the Skywalker saga, the culmination of everything that has come before, the ultimate Star Wars movie.

    looking at the LotR franchise, RotK was a great send off: it won best picture, among several other Oscars, and closed up the story nicely.

    what do you expect the final Star Wars movie to be like? do you think it will be as epic as something like RotK? do you think it will manage to tie everything together in a way that gives the audience closure? or do you think they'll leave things open for yet another trilogy?

    personally, i am hoping that another Skywalker trilogy is off the table and that we get an ending that ties everything up nicely and gives us closure.

    Note: "greatest" implies importance; "ultimate" means final. thank you.
     
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    I've heard a lot of speculation that this movie will tie all three trilogies together. I'm not sure what that means, and it's a pretty vague promise, but it excites me all the same.
     
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    After troughout analysis of episode VIII,analysed in my thread that mey stay from now on not pinpointed, (who wants let him seek)....I have great expectations of episode IX.

    When I watched TLJ first time I wandered, how they are going to end this in ep IX?!

    Now that I have got unique insight in end of ep VIII, in my eyes, its is all prepared for mind blowing epic episode IX.
     
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    actual "closure" means a lot of different things to a lot of different people so it's a really tall order.

    i'm hoping that whether they end the Skywalkers or not in whatever fashion, the story is ultimately a triumphant one for that family.
    would hate to come to the end of it and find all of Han, Leia, and Luke's sacrifices to have been for nothing.
     
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    How will 9 "cconnect the trilogies" when LFL is avoiding (almost) every prior alien race, the Sith extinct, The Big 3 will never b on screen again & your main protagonist is (most likely) a nobody.

    Those words may come back & haunt JJ.
     
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    As we each tend to subjectively weigh the various positive, negative, and questionable aspects of each film as it is released, I think it's important to remember the saga's numbered Episodes are really just chapters of the larger, now nine-part story.

    To me, this naturally means, as one moves through a book-length story, there will be more subjectively interesting stretches of narratives and personally preferred character developments.

    Which is to say, we could consider some parts "better" than others, "great," if not "greater" or the "greatest."

    Subjectively, I certainly wish for Episode IX to be "best" or "greatest" of the chapters, but, for me, it's a difficult comparison to make because these are intended to be connected story segments, not wholly independent and chronologically distinct tales.

    In my mind, nothing can surpass the sheer newness of A New Hope, either when it first appeared or where it sits precisely within this larger nine-part story.

    And yet nothing can "best" The Empire Strikes Back, for its inimitably unique blend of humor, mysticism, technology, settings, and characters.

    And then nothing, I think, can recapture the pure sense of victory of good over evil achieved in Return of the Jedi: Luke redeeming his father through love, not might, friends banding together to rescue one of their own (Han) so they could go on to spare the galaxy more suffering and destruction under the Emperor.

    And, fore me, then there's nothing that quite approaches the excitement of...
    seeing Han navigate the asteroid field with John Williams' score soaring along with him
    hearing John Williams' Duel of the Fates and seeing Darth Maul taking on Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan
    the sight of hundreds of Jedi taking on the droid army
    the epic struggle between Palpatine and Yoda, or Obi-Wan and Anakin, or...

    well, I think you get the point.

    What amazes me might amaze another, perhaps a little or a lot more, or maybe not so much or at all.

    Each of those scenes and settings and characters, among so many others, hold a variable degree of significance as it relates to the story, and what I've found important or "great" about any one of those things has evolved over the years.

    I grew more to appreciate how the Ewoks were able to stand tall against the Empire, how Anakin had such a time trying to convey his love to Padme after having been indoctrinated with the Jedi's anti-attachment approach to life, and yes, why even Jar Jar could be so jarring.

    I've grown along with the movies, and I can, at this point, collectively regard them a one great cinematic epic, one of the best ever told, and one which can become greater yet with every extension of the saga and related stories.

    Rather than singling Episodes out, seeing them as connected, extensions of each other, has helped me discover and appreciate many aspects of the story and find much informational value in those connections.

    So, a holistic (rather than a comparative) approach works wonders for me, but I also realize it's not necessarily how others would or should approach the films.

    Do whatever works best -- or, as Obi-Wan admitted to Luke, "You must do what you feel is right, of course."

    (obi-wan 4)
     
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    yeah, when i'm talking about "ultimate," i mean final; when i say "greatest," i mean most significant.

    this saga can be seen in the lens of individual films, trilogies, or an entire saga. each has connective tissue and the story spills from one into the other.

    with RotJ we had the nice ending that i'm alluding to above: Vader was redeemed, Luke was a Jedi, the Empire was defeated, Leia and Han were in love; we had closure and everything was tied up.

    what i'm wondering is: what do we, and maybe what should we, expect from episode 9 in regards to finishing the story once and for all.

    will they close it up nicely? will they leave it open for more stories? can they do both?

    i watched Kingdom of the Crystal Skull for the first time last night and the ending to that, with Indy going off with his wife and Mutt attempting to put on the hat; it gives us the nice warm fuzzy feeling of closure (Indy is off and happy, tying up the romance from Raiders) while also allowing the possibility of maybe someone else taking up the mantle. kinda similar to RotJ, really.

    if anything, i think something like that will happen in 9.
     
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    Yes, ROTJ did such a nice job of tying up the loose ends!

    As for IX, I'm remain uncertain with JJ, given his "mystery box" approach and all, and wonder what degree of closure we might experience.

    In my view, this nine-part saga yearns for some substantially positive resolution -- of the sort of magnitude we got individually in Episode IV, and then with the Original Trilogy in VI.

    There's such a bittersweetness as I see VI now, given what happens later, from VII and on.

    Among other things, the extended story, so far, illustrates to many of us what we would not like to see or know, given the chance, after any particular story's "happily ever after" ending.

    To go from such triumph and unity in VI to such personal and galactic devastation in VII is such an emotional leap, and so much of that happened "off camera" or before VII began chronologically.

    I personally hope for a realistic but decidedly "happy" conclusion to the Skywalker saga, if indeed this is to be the end of it.

    It should conclude with triumph, unity, and a lasting peace, I believe.

    I think the legacy of our Original Trilogy heroes, and all the people and freedom they fought for, for so long, deserve that: to show, yes, there were Star Wars -- wars in the stars -- and yet, in the end, it was for something, something worthwhile, and evil would never win in the end.

    If JJ can achieve something of that nature, I would be grateful.
     
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    It would be a miracle if I end up liking this movie, considering my low opinion of Episodes VII and especially VIII.
     
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    If we look at ROTJ, It tied up the OT nicely but we could also still wonder who Han and Lea made out (not literally), if/how Luke rebuilt the Jedi, did the republic build its self back up. I think IX will tie things up for the ST but could naturally leave some doors or thoughts open for furture.
     
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    The end scene of IX will conclude with the sudden unexpected appearance of a gigantic Force Black Hole in the centre of the Star Wars galaxy which instantly swallows the entire galaxy in a single split second. Complete silent blackness for a few seconds, then a loud echoing Force Burp. And then end credits roll....
     
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    I just feel this movie has to much to wrap up for a trilogy.
     
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    That was one of my 1st thoughts leaving TLJ, how on earth will they wrap all of this up in 9?

    I enjoyed TLJ, but I’m not sure it made coming to a complete conclusion any easier or likely in one more episode.
     
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    It will be difficult to be the greatest because TLJ is more a final chapter than a middle chapter and it will be difficult to conclude some aspects. J.J. will need a miracle to tie some ark stories and characters (for now, we have only one Skywalker to conclude the "Skywalker saga"). If Kylo really finishes what Vader started, who knows, maybe all could have some sense. I don't know. I'm clouded right now where they will go.
    But at the same time i'm sure it will be a great movie, yes, because J.J. directs it. I think it has the self criticism, seriousness and common sense (that probably Rian didn't had enough in VIII) to make a good movie. I consider Abrams work in TFA nearly sublime (the use of the camera, the light, the setpieces, how he manages the story...)
     
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    How do you end a trilogy and tie it all together? You end it with the hero winning and the villain losing. With Anakin guiding Rey and teaching her.
     
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    It needs to tie things up thematically, not be a curtain call of all the characters and creatures we've seen. The whole story was about bringing balance to the force. That's where it needs to go to tie things up.

    Thanks for that information.
     
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    So, there's always room for hope, and I LOVE the Force Awakens.

    But that said, I've never seen a great Abrams film. There are Abrams films I like very much (like Force Awakens) but not that I would call great. But here's hoping. I think JJ knows how much is resting on this, I think he learned from some of TFA's mistakes, and I think he'll bring his A-game.
     
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    i think you may be misreading great: i'm talking about significance and importance, not excellence.

    this movie has a lot riding on it to get things closed up across all three trilogies. what sort of bold moves are going to be pulled to try to sort all that out?
     
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    Luke Skywalker must unite the Knights of Ren and new jedi(broom boy, rey, finn) with to defeat a Ancient evil Known as the Prime Jedi, whose real name is Snoke.

    the decades before The Force Awakens, Luke Skywalker’s journeys to the ancient Jedi Temples led him to discovering ancient scriptures on the Origins of the Jedi and the Sith and the division between light and dark. Luke discovers the true origin of the ‘Prophecy of the Ray of Light,’ it speaks of how Light & Dark once lived in harmony and balance. A state known as ‘Ren,’ the state of ultimate balance in the Force. The true prophecy speaks of not just one but two beings that reincarnate to fight against an entity called The Ancient Fear when it rises and infects the Force. One light force user and one dark force user. Dark and Light must work together in harmony to achieve Ren, Yin & Yang. This is the infinite dual, binary nature of the Force & the Galaxy. Life and Death. Twin Suns. The hubris of the old ways of the Jedi and Sith interpreted this arrogantly and each instilled their faith solely into one being.


    "The Ancient Fear" is the Prime Jedi of the First Jedi Order, the creator of the jedi themselves. The myth of the Fallen Jedi tells of a force user on an ancient Jakku, when it was lush, green and connected to the Force. He was so powerful he attempted to seize control of the Force itself and rule the Galaxy, this caused a rupture in the Force that leaks into the Galaxy and feeds the Dark side of the Force. Jakku was destroyed and turned into a wasteland, the special connection the planet had to the Force was closed shut for eternity. The Fallen Jedi destroyed his spirit and became The Ancient Fear, a cosmic force of immense power. The pure essence of the Dark side of the Force, blinding both sides and causing the eternal Galactic conflict, similar to Lucifer. The Ancient Fear leeches off the Light & Dark side of the Force feeding the entity for all eternity. The Anti-force of the galaxy


    The Ancient Fear has manifested as the Sith, the Empire, the First Order and been the driving force of the eternal Galactic conflict and imbalance. an Ancient Jedi called revan from the wars of the Old Republic trapped The Ancient Fear in a tomb in the Unknown Regions. For centuries he remained dormant, until Darth Sidious felt his call. Darth Sidious set forth a plan before the birth of Darth Vader. Anakin was being groomed. Darth Sidious believed Anakin was the pure creation of The Ancient Fear. Emperor Palpatine set forth a contingency plan shortly before his death to explore the Unknown Regions and search for The Ancient Fear. Imperial loyalists and Dark side worshippers formed the mysterious Shadow Council and were instructed to excavate the tomb and perform the perverse ritual to harness the entity into a body and resurrect The Ancient Fear. The body of a respected figure from the New Republic, a force sensitive, wealthy artifact collector named Zoroaster Snoke, was chosen to lead The New Empire of the First Order and branded Supreme Leader Snoke. The unnatural dark process left Snoke with those injuries and deformities and his true life force was gone forever. The remnants of the Empire and Sith worshippers reformed into The First Order and built the most massive weapon the Galaxy has ever seen.


    Once the Ancient Fear was resurrected, the Force responded by birthing the incarnation of the being of light spoken of in the Prophecy. A scavenger on the desert planet, Rey of Jakku. The Force placed the Son of the Chosen One before her path, Jedi Master Luke Skywalker. Meanwhile, the birth of the being of darkness was occurring simultaneously in a much different way. From the Unknown Regions, The Ancient Fear began to awaken and groom Ben Solo from birth, in the womb, tainting his life force, the source of his conflict and pull from the light. When Ben Solo was young he previously had a casual relationship with Zoroaster Snoke when he was himself, young Ben was intrigued by all the Jedi & Sith relics he had. He was particularly intrigued by a smashed and burned helmet in a glass casing. Zoroaster Snoke wasn’t one to be bothered but he was a mentor to Ben, being force sensitive, he enjoyed Ben’s curiosity and taught him very pragmatically about the Jedi & Sith in a very subjective way. He was wealthy and scholarly and more concerned with acquiring and amassing his collection. Zoroaster dealt with shady people to obtain his relics, such as the Acolytes of the Beyond. Zoroaster disappeared for some time and Ben lost contact and started training with Luke. Leia always had a hunch about Snoke, she didn’t tell anyone. Han was gone and she didn’t think it was urgent enough to warn Luke.


    Once The Ancient Fear took control of Snoke’s body his mission became easier than ever. The injured man came back into Ben’s life, recounting an attractive false tale about his deformities and grand journey exploring ancient Sith and Jedi temples. Ben was captivated. Luke wouldn’t take him on his more dangerous adventures. The final nail to the head was his revelation to Ben that he is a descendant of Darth Vader. Ben Solo felt betrayed and lied to. Snoke gifts Ben Solo the mask of Vader. He has Ben on a string. He began manipulating Ben Solo to no end, about how his family does not believe in his potential. He preaches the State of Ren to Ben, balance in the force between Light & Dark. Snoke tells Ben he is perfect because he has equal parts Dark & Light due to Skywalker blood. He preaches he is the chosen one. Snoke gives him the name Kylo Ren and tasks him with founding the new Sith Order: The Knights of Ren. However, Snoke sees his light force and knows he will have to force the darkness out himself. Snoke began to project false visions of the future not only into Ben’s head but Luke’s and his students. His influence was growing. Ben began to seduce Luke’s students behind his back and soon enough Kylo amassed followers to join the Knights of Ren. The attack on the Jedi temple occurs. Luke flees.


    However, Snoke has a sinister purpose unbeknownst to any living being. The body Snoke is inhabiting is old and weak. His ultimate purpose is to find a younger, more powerful body to inhabit. The descendant of the Skywalker bloodline, Ben Solo. The Ancient Fear instinctually gravitates to the Skywalker bloodline because of it’s pure Force energy. Snoke is obsessed with the Skywalker legacy and is the true the creator of Anakin Skywalker. He wants to vanquish Luke because he believes him to be the poison that caused the fall of Darth Vader, the bad seed. Snoke’s grandest flaw is that he believes that in the absence of a proper god....he should be the one to take his place(over-man philosophy). The chosen being that catalyzed the awakening of the Force. Kylo Ren and Rey of Jakku are destined to unite and bring Ren to the Force, balannce and peace to reign across the Galaxy concluding the saga of the Skywalker family.

    luke must find a way for the knights of Ren and the new jedi to work together to stop him along with Rey and kylo.

    he is the master of both the spiritual and material world's...able to return from the netherworld and perform feats more in line with lord of the rings than star wars. controlling the weather being among them...like the bendu.

    Rey hates kylo and want to kill him and the Knights of Ren while kylo wants the same.


    this is a story of forgiveness and coming together from different ideologies. princess mononoke in space with themes of 2 different groups, people and ideologies coming together with Luke as the mediator between the knights of ren and jedi.

    the chiss ascendancy, the galactic alliance(the worlds inspired by lukes sacrifice formed the galactic alliance to replace the republic, countless worlds joined), the moderate factions of the imperial remnant all go into battle against the first order....which has fallen off the deep end and pledge their allegiance to the ancient fear.

    while this is happening both finn and Poe are haunted by not being able to stop the death of Leia and goes on a investigation of her death. where they discover the truth, Leia was the one who discovered the truth behind snoke, and hux silenced her by shooting her ship down. Not before Leia gave all her essence to bring luke to his final ascension...allowing luke to cross between the material and spiritual plane of existence. Luke is emotionally grieved by this because leia is now stuck in the cosmic force without her identity after death....effectively trapping her in oblivion.

    The only way he can save her is to destroy snoke and bring balance to the force.


    this is the backdrop....not exactly the whole story. Rey and kylo and luke now must destroy snoke, Finn now must become a leader of the imperial remnant troops, Poe must confront his guilt, and rey must forgive kylo to fufill her destiny. Luke must make amends before going back to the netherworld.

    while in the ending rey and kylo's marraige with chewbacca walking rey down the aisle(effectively establishing chewie as reys father figure)and lando calrison as Finn as ben solos best man, leia and luke both watch in peace with yoda, anakin, obi wan. The knights of ren and jedi both in attendance as the imperial remnant and the galactic alliance make peace.
     
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    fun stuff!

    i have to disagree with the notion that Snoke is the Prime Jedi; i think they killed him off and that's that.

    i don't think the "Ancient Fear" is going to be part of this story at all, nor do i think it goes around inhabiting others' bodies.

    Rey and Kylo will likely not get married, and Finn will definitely not be Ben's best man; that'd just be weird lol

    definitely big ideas, though! i'll give you that.
     
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