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Even as someone who likes the ST, there's

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by kuatorises, May 5, 2020.

  1. eeprom

    eeprom Prince of Bebers

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    I meant obvious to the character.
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    Kylo: They were filthy junk traders…

    Rey: Well, yeah, man. I kind of assumed. I mean, it’s not like I have a bunch of cherished childhood memories of trips to Disneyland or whatever. It’s pretty much been strictly dirt and toil and portions all my life. So that checks out.

    Kylo: You have no place in this story.

    Rey: Yeah, I know. That’s why I was trying to get mopey-ass Luke off his keister to give you jerks all what for. When he made it obvious he’d rather spend his time picking curdled green milk out his beard, I tried to recruit your gloomy high-waisted self. Now that that looks to be going sideways, I guess I’ll have no choice but to be part of your stupid Skywalker nonsense.
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    Rey described herself as a ‘nobody’ from ‘nowhere’. She never even hinted that she thought her parents were a big deal. For her, that wouldn’t have been any sort of ‘revelation’. It wouldn’t have been a difficult truth for her to face. It would have been the status quo. It’s what she would have expected. But the movie presents it as something shocking. It was only shocking to the folks who thought there'd be more to it. That’s some wonky storytelling.
     
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    kuatorises Rebelscum

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    Why was she even able to tap into the Force? Because lineage. Rey has no business beating him - he's extremely powerful, trained, and experienced - if there isn't some kind of "God-given" component to her. They call it raw talent in sports. It's the same reason why Luke was able to use the Force to blow up the Death Star. I liked Rey a lot after TFA. I was becoming annoyed with her inexplicable abilities and skills by the time TLJ ended. I started off quite annoyed while watching TROS. This girl had never lost a fight and was ridiculously powerful; and we still had no idea why. By the time I found out she was a Palpatine, I was literally relived. Something had to be done to explain why was so good and given that she had virtually no training, raw ability was the best answer. She's a lot like Luke, actually.
     
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    We're gonna have to agree to disagree on all of that.
     
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    No, what we see is that she was abandoned and that that abandonment informs her motivations as a character. When we reflect on Finn abandoning her in the previous scene, and how he risks his life to come back for her (like her family didn’t), it resonates more strongly and has greater impact. Character building. Maybe more. Maybe not. Nothing definitive. Could go either way.

    When we see that Rey is preternaturally gifted with the Force, we’re certainly being told that she’s in some way ‘special’. That might be due to some hidden lineage, or it might not be. Nothing definitive. Could go either way.

    TLJ actively diffuses this idea by telling us she’s just the Forces way to reestablish balance. “Powerful light, powerful darkness.” “Darkness rises, and light to meet it.” Yes, she’s special, but not because of which chromosomes she happens to share with so and so.
    Totally agree.
    He’s severely wounded from Chewie’s blaster shot to his abdomen, losing a noticeable amount of blood, had more of a fight than he expected from Finn, is “unbalanced” after killing his dad (TLJ), and doesn’t actually want to hurt her (his job is to bring her to Snoke alive).

    Rey is barely holding her own in that fight until she taps into the Force to bridge that divide. Had he been healthy, in the right mindset, and with intent to kill - he’d most likely have made short work of her. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
     
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    This just goes right back into her having a raw "God-given" ability. She's not a nobody, which TFA was very clearly setting up establishing. Johnson tried to undo that in TLJ with his "nobody" nonsense and JJ responded by undoing THAT. Why is she special? Because of her lineage, which the movies would later confirm.

    It's later revealed Finn is a Force sensitive. Finn is a trained soldier. Finn gets his ass beat by Ren and Phasma despite being a trained shoulder and having a teensy bit of Force abilities. Rey has no military training and get compete with Ren from the get go. Why? Because. Of. Her. Lineage.
     
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    she might have really good survival instincts. It would like being an inter city kid going out to the woods for Finn, will if she was a street rat growing up she would learn stuff naturally.
     
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    Well, a raw ‘Force-given’ ability anyway. But sure, I’m with you.
    Aaaaaaand you lost me. The fact that she’s this trilogy’s main character is proof enough that’s she’s not ‘nobody’ in the sense that she doesn’t matter. She has a destiny. She has a greater purpose. That doesn’t then necessitate her having magical blood. Those ideas are not contingent on one another.
    No, he just answered the question: who are Rey’s parents? Answer: assholes she’d be better off without. Now she has to go deal with that. Now she has to grow as a character.
    Agreed. This would be like Luke asking Yoda at the beginning of ROTJ “Is Darth Vader my father?” and his response being “What? No. Your dad was the best. Vader’s full of crap . . . . . . . . but your grandfather though - he’s the Emperor.”:confused:
    Well, the ‘movie’, singular. But yeah, seems like. <sad trombone>
    In his defense, it IS pretty hard to train your shoulders :D
    Rey grew up in the wasteland of Jakku having to fend for herself since she was like 5. We saw her handily fight off multiple attackers at once, by herself. That wasn’t there for the fun of it. It was establishment to show that she was skilled at fighting and fighting with a weapon. It’s called ‘planting seeds’, man.

    It’s the same for Finn. At the beginning of TFA, we see Kylo stop a blaster bolt in mid-air. That wasn’t just to be ‘neat’. It was to setup Kylo as someone who likes to show off. He has something to prove. He’s insecure and needs to confirm his dominance. That fight with Finn should have only lasted seconds - could have tossed him against a tree like Rey, but he draws it out. He’s showboating. And he gets bit for it.

    This is all on the screen for you to see, man. It’s right there.
     
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    Given that the bolded is not something that he did or that he had any intention of doing, I don't see what your point is here.

    Nine-tenths of the objections to both The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker's character revelations regarding Rey are rooted in perceptions that are based almost entirely on fan expectations instead of on what those two films actually present.
     
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    Then please don't....
     
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