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Evidence of Plagueis theory, or Story Group trolling?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Morgan Joylighter, May 10, 2019.

  1. Morgan Joylighter

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    The following is a quote from Claudia Gray's new novel Master and Apprentice about Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. Prophecy is one of the primary themes of the story and a few old Jedi prophecies are recorded in the book, including the one about the Chosen One. When I heard this quote it seemed to fit perfectly with the idea that Darth Plagueis learned to live on through the bodies of apprentices. When you combine this with the apparent return of Palpatine in TROS, it certainly seems to fit. But the Story Group is of course aware of these theories, so are they (or Claudia Gray herself) just trolling the Plagueis believers by putting little nuggets of info like this out there? Just wondering if anyone else noticed this or thought the same thing. If this would be better in another forum section please move it, I don't post here much.

    "I don’t know that he is, Qui-Gon wanted to say. The holocron of prophecies had not gone back to the Archives in weeks. Dooku studied it constantly, both with Qui-Gon and without. Although Qui-Gon still liked coming up with theories about how past historical events might have fulfilled certain Masters’ prophetic visions, Dooku’s fascination was all for the future. One prophecy in particular occupied him more than any other: He who learns to conquer death will through his greatest student live again."
    If this is foreshadowing a plot point in Episode IX then maybe Plagueis would be "he who learns to conquer death" and Palpatine would be "his greatest student".
     
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    This could be about Palpatine conquering death through Vader.
     
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    Think this also could be foreshadowing about Qui Gon conquering death when he learns to communicate from the beyond.
     
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    Ok am gonna be controversial here . This is Star Wars where things like this are more complex and take on more than one meaning just like the film titles . Yes I agree on the surface it looks like it’s palpatine living through Vader or plagueis living through Palpatine but am constantly looking out for twists with Star Wars so to be honest it could be anyone - Luke and Ben ? Ben and Rey ? Vader and Ben ?(some kind of resurrection lord Momin style like in the Vader comics ?). For all we know it’s someone we haven’t even thought about or a new character in Rise of Skywalker. In the TLJ visual dictionary /encyclopaedia under Snoke’s entry it talks about his other apprentice- so question is who was it ? Another mystery box. :eek::confused:
     
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    The simplest explanation here seems to be that Claudia Gray offers, in her writing, one (among several other hinted at) prophecy that could, without necessarily having to (i.e. it could be irrelevant), explain one avenue for Darth Plagueis or Palpatine to survive death through their apprentice, and that the Story Group simply did not veto against it. That Gray wrote this prophecy, and that she has Dooku being obsessed with it, does not make it an established meta-plot fact central to the upcoming Saga finale. No, it only means that this specific prophecy (among others) exists in canon, and if several prophecies exists the majority are likely to be untrue. Of course, the Story Group COULD adopt this prophecy for major stories at some point, but it seems unlikely that they have willingly resolved the mystery of Palpatine in TRoS with a throwaway line in a novel.

    That said, it's cool stuff (pwned)
     
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    It would seem strange to talk about prophecies like this one especially with a certain Sith Lord returning. The movie goers still have have the infamous tragedy of Darth Plagueis while book readers get a bit more added context. They wouldn't have to know that throw away line from a book.
     
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    It is possible when Palpatine said to Anakin that Plagueis taught him everything he knew then killed him he meant it. Most of what people wanted with Plagueis including myself we might actually get, in the form of Palpatine. Who continues to be the Phantom Menace it seems.
     
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    To conquer death is an interesting choice of words....
    Because sure, it points to “cheating death”.
    But that could be the trick.

    Interesting enough, for instance, that’s a quote/line from Jesus Christ Superstar...
    The complete one being “To conquer death, you only have to die”.

    The way I see it, is that to conquer death in SW is not about cheating death as well (even if that is how Sidius and his master before him and some Jedi, took it). But it’s about... let it go. Accepting death and so on...

    And the living again thing is a moral legacy, carried on by the students.
    Just like Jesus and his apostles...
     
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    I read all of the new canon material up through TLJ and can't think of a single concrete instance in which a book prefaced (or gave away) a major movie plot point. Maybe TROS will break the trend?
     
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    Seems to me like this movie will introduce elements that have been fleshed out, teased or mentioned by Television, Comics and Books. The be all end all MUST tie nine films together, prophecies misread or not.... legends whether true or not... and ultimately balance the force.... into one, cohesive conclusion. I'm keeping it simple here, of course.


    Sidious was never the Phantom Menace, he was always right in front of the Jedi.... no one ever sees the plague coming.


    Only the bodies after it moves on.
     
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    I love this stuff. It could mean any of what everyone is saying, or none of it/something else.
     
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    Thank you Morgan Joylighter for pointing this out. I have not yet read “Master and Apprentice,” and was unaware of this canonical quote. I don’t believe this is trolling and believe it is legitimately laying the groundwork for the reveal of Darth Plagueis living on through the bodies of apprentices in Episode IX. Thanks so much for pointing this out!
     
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    Palpatine is the one returning and the one possibly living on through apprentices in IX, not Plagueis. Plagueis might be mentioned but nothing more than that
     
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    Many people, myself included, are of the opinion that Palpatine is Plagueis. When Plagueis discovered how to take over the body of a dark side apprentice upon his death, he first took over the body of Palpatine after Palpatine killed him. It’s basically the same theory of Palpatine living on through his apprentice, except it goes back one generation and posits that the practice started with Plagueis, not Palpatine. It’s just a theory at this point, but it seems to resonate with a number of fans.
     
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    Pretty unlikely that the story group and the authors spend any time thinking of ways to troll the fans. They are being paid to help create the future of Star Wars. That's an insanely hard job to do. They have deadlines. They more than likely have families that they spend time with too. They don't care about YouTubers screaming into their webcams about Constable Zuvio.
     
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    I do agree with you, but sometimes it feels like Pablo Hidalgo wants to prove us both wrong, via twitter! ;):D

    (Meant in fun, I think the guy is great)
     
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    I'd do the same if I were being yelled at by clueless strangers every day. He's the homie, for sure.
     
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