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SPECULATION Ezra, Ahsoka, and a New Cartoon

Discussion in 'Other TV Projects' started by Use the Falchion, Dec 23, 2017.

  1. Use the Falchion

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    Note: I'm posting this here because I think it encompasses more than just Rebels talk.


    Just a quick theory, but I think the new Star Wars cartoon WON'T be about Luke starting up the new Jedi Order. I originally wanted this, but after thinking about it for a bit, it really doesn't fit. For starters, we've already seen Jedi Masters and Jedi Knights train their apprentices. We saw it in The Clone Wars, and we saw it in Rebels. Granted, these were times of war, but that becomes important in a bit.

    The problem of doing a third series about this is that it's derivative, and both of the previous protagonists were trained in the Old School Jedi Way. The dogma that failed Anakin, that Luke bristled against in his training and completely abandoned after the Ben Fiasco, and that ultimately ended up destroying the Jedi Order as a whole. So, what will we see instead?

    Easy, we'll see a cartoon about Rey training a new order of Jedi.

    Three main reasons stick out as to why we'll see this. First off is that they've been priming and practicing this for months now. Forces of Destiny is the major example (showing more of Rey's character, getting people ready for a female led Star Wars show), but even The Clone Wars has shades of this with Ahsoka.*

    The next reason is that it'd provide a nice synergy with the two shows above. Rebels starts with a war looming on the horizon, and is currently in the infant stages of the war; The Clone Wars is knee deep in the war, and only ends right before its titular war does. A show post-IX would have the war ending, and be a great way to show the Jedi as they are truly supposed to be - protectors and healers. They wouldn't have to worry about the war anymore, only the aftermath.

    Going off of that, with both The Clone Wars and Rebels, there's a certain amount of...safety in the show. In TCW, you know the main characters are going to be okay, since, you know, they're all in the next movie. That doesn't mean that the show did shock us - Maul's return, Duchess Satine's tragic end, and Ahsoka NOT dying come to mind - but we knew Anakin and Obi-Wan were safe. Rebels has the same problem to a degree. We "know" Kanan has to die and Hera and Chopper will live. The rest have uncertain fates, but we've figured out ways for them to live. Ezra I'll touch on in a bit. But a new show wouldn't have those restrictions. Anyone could die, anyone could turn. It could go any way.

    Lastly, it would be important. Not that Rebels and TCW aren't important. TCW wen't a LONG way in fixing Anakin and Obi-Wan's characterization, and Rebels gave us some really good information about the Rebellion post-Legends. But this new cartoon, this could be the first stepping stone in a Star Wars world going forward. Especially if they do kill off the Skywalker family.

    But what does this have to do with Ezra and Ahsoka? A lot I think. I think this show would be the perfect place to bring back both characters and make them Jedi again.

    One of the reasons Ahsoka left the Jedi Order is because they weren't living up what they should be. Yet she didn't leave her lightsabers or her desire to do good behind. So, what did this make her? The fandom simply labelled her a "Grey Jedi" - despite Pablo Hidalgo's claims to the contrary, along with everyone else involved claims to the contrary - and moved on. Instead, I think she was a Jedi ahead of her time. So how poetic would it be if in the twilight years of her life, she becomes a Jedi again? A new Jedi, a voice of reason and wisdom to Rey, providing experience on how NOT to do something. A circle complete.**

    We assume Ezra's going to live and renounce his Jedi ways. But having Rey start up a new Jedi Order, and having Ezra join would be a great way to complete his arc as well. He'd also work as a counterbalance for Ahsoka. While Ahsoka has fought multiple Sith, Ezra would be the only one to warn Rey of the Dark Side, because of his outgoing struggles with it himself.

    They'd also fit the archetypes (and relative ages!) of Obi-Wan and Yoda perfectly as well.

    TL;DR - Ahsoka and Ezra are alive, will live through Rebels, and join the new cartoon - which will focus on Rey starting up a new Jedi Order - and become Jedi again.

    Anyways, what do you think of the theory? Is it good? Is it crazy? Am I crazy? Thanks and let me know!

    *Ahsoka is A lead character, but I think the screen time with her is mostly split with Anakin, and given Obi-Wan's substantial role in the series too, I can't in good concious call her the only main character, or the show female led.
    **TBH, the only way the circle would be even more complete is if Rey was a Kenobi or a Skywalker (which she isn't and I'm glad!) and/or she's killed by Kylo Ren and becomes a Force Ghost. Another part of the past erased, and Ahsoka is killed by the grandson of the man who trained her.
     
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    Another show with these guys? Lets move on.
     
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    Lol I'm not asking them to be main characters, nor would I want them to be (although I wouldn't mind Ahsoka tbh). I was thinking about the best way for them to fulfill an arc that the current constraints - be it canon or the company at the time - couldn't.

    And I do understand your feelings. I honestly feel the same way about everything Mandalore in Season 4. But at the same time, I understand why it's there, and I have to admit there's a beauty in an arc stretched out over two shows. The purpose of it was to provide a sense of closure. Closure that Ezra and Ahsoka, due to canon constraints never truly got. But now, moving forward with what the Jedi COULD be instead of what they are/were, the time for closure is better than ever.
     
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    So, this seems kinda likely now, actually. Particularly when there's rumors about a show called "The Resistance".

    Personally, I think it'd be a stroke of brilliance. The Clone Wars did wonders of endearing fans to the prequel era, particularly when those movies weren't all that well received. Rebels did a fantastic job of showing the early-ish and evolving Empire, as well as re-integrating elements from the old canon back into Star Wars.

    An early Resistance era show could provide what the sequel trilogy needs most- context.

    We could see all sorts of stuff that supplement the show really well-
    -The early Republic
    -The birth of the First Order
    -The forming of the Resistance
    -Backstory for Snoke
    -Hux growing up
    -The capture of stormtrooper candidates, perhaps even Finn's kidnapping (seems like something Cad Bane would be involved in)
    - Jas and Embo's crew
    - Young Temmin/ Sinjir/ Nora
    - Phantom Squadron (hmmm, familiar name?)
    - Sloane's presumed fall from power
    -Sabine and Ahsoka's quest
    - Hera and her child, Zeb and Kallus's return (maybe?)
    - The Force tree stuff
    - The forming of the Knights of Ren
    - Luke's academy/ it's fall
    - Han's flight academy (seems like a good spot for Jacen)
    - Young Kylo Ren
    - Possibly the continuation of Nash, Ciena, and Thane's story (assuming we don't get a Lost Stars sequel)

    Really all sorts of possibilities. I think that a Resistance show could really bridge (ah, Ezra, you're name's at it again!) the gap that people feel with this era currently, the unfamiliarity and really lack of attachment many feel.
     
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    Yeah that'd actually be really cool! It was a different from what I was originally thinking, but if they pull from your ideas, I'd actually be really happy with the Resistance show. A Snoke vs Sloane power struggle would be pretty epic.
    But that's also a lot of stuff to cover. Decades worth of material. If it was an anthology series I could see it covering everything. But just one series...that might worry me. But I DO like the ideas!
     
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    Yeah, I'm curious when it would be set. Technically, the Resistance wasn't really even formed until 28 ABY (roughly six years before The Force Awakens). We don't really know when the First Order was founded- sources claim "between 5 ABY and 21 ABY", but we know there was already a contingent out there before that.

    Honestly, I feel like we could still get two shows in this timeline with these characters. One between 5 ABY and 10 ABY that deals with the search for Ezra, also putting the protagonists out in the Unknown Regions where they could encounter a growing First Order threat.

    The other show could be some time before 28 ABY, and deal with the formation of the Resistance, much like how Rebels did with the Original Trilogy.
     
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    I bet on right after episode VI for one show, and the second one - between V and VI, unless they not using it for comics as they do for IV and V.
     
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    Yeah, I wonder what the plan is for that era. It's definitely noticeable that the spot Shadows of the Empire used to hold has been pretty empty for a while.

    People used to joke that we'd see our fabled bothans in action in Rogue Two, but I think eventually the comics and books will start exploring the era. A TV show would be really cool too, though- especially if it does delve into Both Team Six.
     
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    Well, that's original:D
     
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    I just hope Season 2 of Resistance gets better. Season 1 was more childish then Nicktoons.
     
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    I just hope Ezra, Ahsoka, and Thrawn's storyline gets picked up through ANY platform. The ending of Rebels sure seemed like a cliffhanger to me, and I'm beginning to wonder if they have any intention of continuing it at all.
     
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    Really? I take it you didn't like it? I really enjoyed seeing the Arcs and watching Ahsoka come through. I would LOVE to see this spin off.
     
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    I think it would be good if Rey seeks out the wise Masters who won’t join her new Jedi but will help her mold it.
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 6, 2019, Original Post Date: Apr 6, 2019 ---
    Sure why not? They have resources to make new AND continue the Saga of “these guys”.

    Some of us would love both.
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 6, 2019 ---
    Thrawn could be as interesting as Vader and Palpatine. He would make an excellent Emporer or Supreme Leader.

    Imagine Kylo having to join with Rey to fight a menace even more powerful than Kylo or Snoke. I’d love to see Thrawn show up witha Devastating fleet that wipes out Kylo’s first order.
     
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    Let's just say i liked Rebels more.

    MOD EDIT
     
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    Oh my! It appears that i was edited!

    I guess saying something that one puts debris in with an act of arson in comparison to a certain film is frowned upon!

    Sarcasm aside. I'm sorry.
     
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    LOL, well you say you liked Rebels but yet this concept has Ezra and Ahsoka in it...so how would one not enjoy it?

    Personally, I am just ready to be done with the Era that is the Skywalker family. Love them, but it's been 4 decades and their blast still isn't fixed. So, let's see some other characters that make sense. Let's move past this moment in history. Either take me back to The Old Republic, show me what happened BEFORe TOR, or lets go to the future.
     
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    LOL, well you say you liked Rebels but yet this concept has Ezra and Ahsoka in it...so how would one not enjoy it?

    Personally, I am just ready to be done with the Era that is the Skywalker family. Love them, but it's been 4 decades and their blast still isn't fixed. So, let's see some other characters that make sense. Let's move past this moment in history. Either take me back to The Old Republic, show me what happened BEFORe TOR, or lets go to the future.[/QUOTE]



    It was edited. My response was.....Let's just say i liked Rebels more then ( removed by mod ) TLJ.
     
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    wow I really love this!!!!!!!!! <3
     
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