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SPECULATION Ezra, Snoke and Maul Theory....How it all ties in with Saga

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by KOBRAkon, Jan 19, 2016.

  1. KOBRAkon

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    Ezra will be seduced by the darkside from what we can tell from the new trailer. I have created a theory of how I think this can all play out going forward and what it implies for the Saga. ENJOY!!!

    Ezra has, in my opinion, been showing a lot of darker tendencies. He has appeared to be using the force as a weapon more than a tool like the Jedi are supposed to. Heres a few examples to support this claim:

    - Ezra already tapped into the dark side once to summon that giant Fyrnock but then fainted. At this point, Kanan failed Ezra because he failed to teach or even discuss what the dark side is and what consequences could arise if he were to go down that path.

    - Also made a comment about how he could control the animal on Lothal with his light saber. (when Kanan was trying to get him to connect with it through the Force)

    - When Ezra was going through his training at the Jedi Temple, Yoda was able to sense much fear and anger in Ezra (similar feeling he had with one Anakin!)

    - And since we are on Yoda’s feelings and Anakin, Ezra is very much like Anakin. He is impatient, rather do things on his own and rather apologize to Kanan for doing something wrong instead of asking the right way to do it.

    Now from what we have seen from the trailer, which is hard really to add as “proof” of a theory since we don’t know context, I still want to talk about some of what we saw there. We see him touching that wall in the Sith Temple and it turning red, right after Ashoka told him not to. Also we see him in possession of a Sith Holocron. Last but not least we see Darth Maul telling Ezra to call him “Old Master”. That last part will be the segue to my next thought on what this means moving forward.


    Snoke and Darth Maul

    So we know Snoke has been around for all the events of the saga thus far (whether he is DP or not doesn’t matter for this theory). For the sake of this theory, let’s just say that even if Snoke isn’t DP, he is more than likely a Sith Lord. A Sith Lord without an apprentice (that we know of).

    One other person we know has been around from TPM to this point of the Canon timeline is Darth Maul. Maul has been beaten multiple times by the Jedi and his old master. He has lost his family and his crime syndicate and nothing seems to be going well for him. He seems like the perfect candidate to be an agent and apprentice for Snoke. If he does end up being DP, then this could give us a plausible reason for why the two have combined forces!

    Now let’s go back to the trailer for Rebels. We see that Maul is going to meet Ezra and try and seduce him to the dark side. I think the fact that Kanan and Ezra haven’t had the conventional Jedi Training, this will make it easier for him to be seduced to the dark side. We don’t know how many seasons of Rebels we will get, but his turn to the dark side doesn’t have to happen instantaneously. His struggles with choosing a side I think can be done over multiple seasons and would be very intriguing to watch unfold.


    What this means going forward (or the actual theory)

    Moving forward, I think most people could agree that the fate of the Rebels crew doesn’t look very promising. If Luke truly is “The Last Jedi”, then there is no room for Kanan or Ezra to become Jedi and survive the show. The only other “Jedi” we have seen thus far is Ashoka, who even said that Kanan was more of a Jedi than she was (due to her leaving the Jedi Order during the Clone Wars).

    Ashoka could have been a positive influence for Kanan and Ezra, but since she will be facing off with Vader this season, chances are that she doesn’t make it too much further into the timeline. During the trailer we also see Ashoka and Ezra watching a holocron of Anakin as a Jedi. Ezra seems to be very taken by Anakin and his power. Ashoka then reinforces those feelings by saying you should have seen him in real life! I think this causes Ezra to have a new hero in Anakin and could end up influencing his change to the dark side.

    So Snoke sends Maul to Ezra in an attempt to get him to join the dark side. I believe that at first he may not join, but I think after Ashoka dies, the first reason he gets to ditch Kanan he will. Once this happens he will seek out Maul and go begin training with Maul. Maul will teach him in the way of the Sith, while leaving Ezra in the dark about Snoke. Once Ezra’s training with Maul is complete/near complete, Snoke will then have Maul bring Ezra to him. To finish his training, Ezra will then have to kill Maul to take his place as apprentice.


    What does this mean going forward for the Saga?

    Here is where my theory may get a little crazy (that is if you don't think I'm crazy already), but bare with me! So now we are between RoJ and TFA. By this point Ezra will be quite a bit older and way more powerful. Snoke may be worried that Ezra will be looking to take his spot (especially if he is DP and he doesn’t want to lose everything he has been building towards to another apprentice). So he is on the lookout for another person to bring in and replace Ezra. He has been following the Skywalker’s progress and building up his army. Watching the Skywalker’s he now has the perfect candidate to be his new apprentice, Ben Solo! He starts to seduce Ben and eventually succeeds and appoints Kylo Ren as his new agent.

    During this time, Ezra is out in the galaxy helping Snoke establishing the First Order’s grasp on the galaxy and other jobs Snoke has given him, totally unaware that Snoke has been seducing Ben and successfully turning him to the dark side.

    Now we are at TFA and Snoke is trying to gage if Kylo has what it takes to complete his training and become Snoke’s new apprentice. But first, he must kill his father Han to prove that he is at the point of no return. The fact that Luke is most likely on his way to align with the resistance and the emergence and Rey’s “awakening” in the Force, has made it apparent to Snoke that he can’t waste too much more time waiting and summons Kylo to him to complete his training.


    Moving Forward – Ezra and his tie in to the Saga


    Now we are on the way to episode 8 and the theories are a plenty. So why not throw another one in there! If what I have laid out does actually happen, we have a pretty epic training possibility for the new episode and I’m not talking about Luke training Rey.

    In order for Ezra to become Snoke’s new apprentice he had to kill Maul and take his place. Could Kylo’s final training have to do with killing Ezra to take his place? If this is what is needed to be done for Kylo to complete his training, who could play Ezra?

    Benicio Del Torro!! That’s who!! I can totally see BDT being an older Ezra. Even if the ages don't match perfectly, they can totally make it work with BDT.

    Episode 8, Kylo goes on the search for Ezra (BDT) to finish his training by killing him and taking his place. How epic would it be to see both Jedi and Sith training in one movie? Awesome it would be! How awesome would it be to see BDT as a fully trained bad ass Sith battling Kylo Ren? Pretty damn awesome! How likely is all this to happen? Prolly not likely, but hey it’s a theory and it sounds good to me!


    Now tell me, what do you think? Could this be a plausible storyline? What tweaks or additions could be made for this theory to be more plausible? Please let me know what you think and remember it is just a theory and I don’t even think it will happen, but I can see how it could happen and how it could be awesome if done properly!
     
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    Ezra has a good 15 - 20 YEARS on BdT .
     
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    Ezra is 14 at beginning of Rebels, which would make him approximately 53 during TFA. BDT is 49.....so only 4 years actually :)
     
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    Wow. Great thread @KOBRAkon . Lots to think about...
     
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    Thanks, can you guys tell how I spent my day at work today? LOL
     
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    This is how we all spend our days at work.

    Apparently.
     
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    I thought Rebels takes place in the middle of the time between ROTA and ANH.! So if. Say that would place him closer to 60ish but then take into account what time difference (if any) there would be between TFA and VIII .
     
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    According to the Star Wars canon Time Line (which I would post if I could figure out how to post pics) it says that Rebels S1 is in year 27 and S2 is year 28. ANH is in year 32 and TFA is year 66. Even if Ezra was say 5-10 years older, it is way easier to make an actor look older than younger!
     
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    Yeah if The Mo-Cap has improved enough ;) .
     
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    I don't think that will be needed. Plus, who knows what happens to Ezra in those 30 or so years. He could be pretty battered/scarred. I don't think the age difference is significant enough to matter.
     
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    Good Post but i believe nothing from other media will make his way into the Movies, except the usual quick references and the background cameos and stand ins, but never, NEVER, a major plot tendency will come from the TV Shows into the Movies.

    I think the Movies are the above everything goal, nothing will taint them but what happens in the movies will spill to every kind of media, TV Shows. Video Games, Comics and Novels.

    Edit: I also had a pratical advise, if a story has to many If's it probably won't work properly.
     
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    I honestly hope what you say is true! Just throwing this out there cause I was bored at work and me and my buddy were discussing this last night and I proposed theory to him and he thought it was interesting so I figured....why not share with my Star Wars friends!

    Also I HOPE THIS IS WRONG!!!! But with Disney at the helm now, I wouldn't put anything past them.
     
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    If Maul makes into Rogue One, or the Kenobi film... the circle will be complete. I can only hope they use Sam to at least voice him.
     
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    Really interesting idea @KOBRAkon! I like it! A question I have is why would Snoke seemingly follow the Rule of Two (replacing Maul with Ezra and Ezra with Ben)?
     
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    Just makes sense to me and it helps my theory :)
     
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    Definitely liked the tie in between TPM-CW-Rebels-Ep8 with Maul as a leapfrog character (apparently BDT was to play maul in TPM originally i read somewhere?) but the only thing to me that would make this even more powerful, is if Snoke (as Falchion stated) bypassed the typical rule of two. I always thought this rule was a bit overzealous on the self-implied importance/arrogance of Sith as a whole, like they don't understand the concept of strength in numbers to build a vast empire. But we have seen this rule absent in other SW lore properties, and further supported by the Knights of Ren... 7 of them. And if "Ren" is another 'old' name for Sith, then that negates the need for rule of two moving forward in the ST and beyond.
     
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    That would be cool if there was a small army of Sith running around with Snoke....I could dig it! And your right, BDT was going to be Maul in TPM but dropped out when Maul's line's dialogue kept getting cut from the movie.
     
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    Very interesting theory. Could use with some tweaking of course, but it's pretty well fleshed out. The connections between all the media is very nice indeed. It also provides a better story for Ezra rather than the assumed "he dies with everyone else" line and at least somewhat shores up his absence from the OT.

    The thing that gets me the most excited about this is the prospect of Dark Sider vs Dark Sider, which we've only really seen in TCW and not in the films. Seeing Ren take on BdT as a Sith/Dark Side baddy would be pretty epic.
     
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    Now that I figured out how to post a pic (I know I'm kinda slow)...heres something I did for reference:

    Ezra-Rebels-short_featured-322x268.jpg
     
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    Good idea! I do hope that some of the Rebels characters do end up in live action movies and play a large part.
    Still, I do not think that Ezra will fall to the dark side yet. rebels has already been renewed for season 3. if the fate of the Ghost crew is decided at the end of season two, what could season 3 be about?
     
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