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Finn's Parents

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by momo, Dec 16, 2015.

  1. momo

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    Seeing how he was stolen from birth. You got to believe that will be explored who his parents are in the next few movies.

    http://www.laweekly.com/film/relax-the-force-awakens-is-the-third-good-star-wars-movie-6386394

    "Finn, or, as he's originally called, FN2187 — “That’s the only name they ever gave me” — was stolen as a baby and programmed from birth to obey. We meet him during his very first grown-up battle when his white plastic helmet is smeared by his friend’s blood. Seven films into the saga, this is the only time we’re allowed to empathize with a grunt. The emotion doesn’t last long. Soon, we’re rooting for Finn and his new friends to pew-pew-die his former colleagues, which is much less fun when you know they’re all brainwashed child soldiers."
     
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    I read that as "pew-die-pie" for a second...like the YouTube guy :p.
     
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    I hope his parents are new, the whole Lando speculation is so behind us.
     
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    Idk I think unfortunately the Lando speculation is back on the table....
     
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    You see a picture of him as a kid with a factsheet/bio briefly while Kylo and Hux discuss him (in the background). I think, yeah, unfortunately people are going to jump to the conclusion that all black people in Star Wars are related.
     
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    How neat would it be if he was stolen from force senstive parents or jedi parents. That's why he's so elite and well trained it's inherent in him
     
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    This. Especially since it all came from some bogus amazon toy review apparently.
     
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    Well we can now move on with more speculation of who they are.
     
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    I actually found that picture/factsheet kind of interesting. If he was kidnapped as a baby, why wasn't a baby photo used for his Stormtropper entry factsheet? Or is the "trained since birth" story just something Stormtroopers are told after being brainwashed by Cpt Phasma? I find it entirely possible that Finn's backstory parallels Kylo's or Rey's in that he was either given up by his real parents as some "bad apple", or that he had prior training and was kidnapped and brainwashed.

    Which would explain why Finn gives up so readily on inquiring about his background even though he should know that Phasma has that information, and why Maz sees a guy who "wants to run". Not from the FO, as he claims, but - like Kylo - from "the truth that is his family". He has an inkling about how he ended up with the FO, and he's traumatised. I suspect that in episode VIII, confronting his origins will probably be his new goal.
     
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    ironically Finn is the least maladjusted character in this universe of our "victim triumvirate".
    • Finn never knew his family and doesn't seem that bothered about it.
    • Rey is consumed by her family to the point that it nearly prevents her from accepting her destiny.
    • Kylo Ren knows too well who his family, they're right there, and it's still killing him.
    i'd really like to see Finn avoid the trap of a lineage-dependent plotline.
     
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    I know! Couldn't he be someone who does not know where he comes from but he does not care about it as much as where he is going to? Yeah, and both the Lando and the Mace Windu - maybe in a minor scale, but even John Boyega on a press conference mentioned Samuel L. Jackson approached him on a party referencing that theory lol.
     
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    I'm not interested at all in tying Finn to a pre-established Star Wars character by way of a family connection, but I'm terribly sorry to hear that you consider a "lineage-dependent plotline" a trap to be avoided (if I indeed understood you correctly), and that a person examining his or her past is maladjusted. On the contary, one of the major narrative themes of TFA seems to me that there is a limit to how effective "adventure"/escapism is in a world that is environmentally, economically, and morally in decline.

    You can view TFA as a metaphor for the current blockbuster mania. If you feel too lethargic to do your bit to achieve world peace in the real world, you can always go and watch a blockbuster movie in which the Earth is being attacked by some Galactic enemy. That will make any real-world conflict between people look tolerable in comparison. With TFA, you can't do that anymore. The universe is as big as it gets, and the conflict comes from within that known universe.

    And why do people watch escapist movies in the first place? Because they cannot deal with their own sorry lives. With their family problems. Their disappointment in their lot. And The Force Awakens plays on just that. Escapism is no longer satisfying for any of the parties involved (after all, it's about bringing Luke back from exile). All the troubles in Star Wars turn out to start in the family, and when there is no place left to run and hide in the universe (because there's even a map to Luke), you have to come full circle and explore the past you escaped from in the first place. That's basic psychology.

    Family issues in childhood have been identified as the leading cause of all kinds of psychological disorders, and I assume that a film production company like Lucasfilm/Disney knows what it's doing when it pushes the family theme: there's a consensus that being able to reconnect with one's family after years of alienation is the key to growth as a human being and recovery from trauma. Which is why, in TFA, the writers have Maz give the explicit advice to Han is to "go home" in order to fight the Dark Side.

    I'd like to know: If Finn isn't bothered by the fact that he'll never get to know his real parents, why does he bring up that subject as one of the main reasons why he hates the First Order? Why mention it at all? He shouldn't be bothered. Unless he feels deprived of something, and that deprivation follows him around wherever he tries to escape.

    It might not work for you personally, but I assume that the general audience will find it far more emotionally rewarding to see Rey be reunited with her father Luke Skywalker than to see her accept her "destiny" to have superpowers that don't exist in the real world, and show off to an unrelated ageing Jedi. I also assume that the general audience will find it rewarding if somebody wants to defeat the FO in order to prevent other children from being taken away from their families and raised to become brainwashed Stormtroopers. A reunion with his own family would be the perfect catalyst for Finn to bring about a new missionary zeal after Rey's departure.
     
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    I'd be okay with never, ever, ever, ever knowing anything else about Finn to be honest; I like his character but I just don't care about him the way I do Rey and she's "it" now. If Episode VIII has a piece of a map leading to Finn's dad, or technical readouts of Finn's uncle's brother's sister's house, I'll get up and walk out. These movies have been about the Skywalker family thus far, and I personally am just fine with that; I've never even cared who Han's parents were and he's 10x more valuable to me than Finn is. If there's like 20 seconds of us finding out that Finn's parent died, I'd be great with that, then back to Luke teaching Rey how to Jedi. These are just my inner feels coming out, don't hate me!
     
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    Don't apologise, I find this honesty refreshing.

    I don't think Finn's lineage should matter, that's not to say that I would have a problem with him tracking down his family and all the drama that that implies but I feel that Finn's character works better as a self-made man, not dependent on who he's descended from and all that.
     
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    my choice of the words trap and maladjusted seem to have provoked a reaction that i didn't intend. let me try to rephrase my intention:

    i like that Finn doesn't appear to be struggling. because why should he? not everyone who ever lost their family is necessarily traumatized in an outward way. i think he brings up his family to Rey to make a point: he didn't choose his place a stormtrooper, but he's choosing his place to run now. it's less about the loss of his family than about finding himself.
    • Finn: i know who i am! i am my own person!
    • Rey: i am my own person, but i don't know who i am.
    • Ren: i not only don't know who i am, but i don't belong to myself.
    that makes for a really interesting contrast between how these characters psychologically deal with their personal sense of abandonment.

    in many ways Finn is stronger than any of them because he's seized his destiny. he's the model to look to.
    neither Rey nor Ren do that entirely in TFA (though Rey appears to be on the path).

    when there are so many other ways to develop Finn as a hero, i'd just hate for them to spend time dwelling on his past because it feels like a step backward in his development. the past is the past. he's on another path now. the story is what happens in the now and in the future.
     
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    do we need to know in the next two films or is that the kind of thing to explore in a novel/comic? i mean rey's parents and kylo's parents are already such heavy storylines do we need to throw finn's in there as well?
     
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    I agree with this line of thought. I think a Finn Novel would be really interesting.
     
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    Thanks dawg, and I agree: I'm more interested in seeing Finn progress on his own and make something out of nothing for himself, we already have our plates full with Rey's lineage IMO.
     
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    I would not like to see Finn's family. Best if they're dead. But it would be of interest if Finn remembers how he was taken and how his parents died. Possibly in a moment quite similar to the razzia and massacre Finn reclined from. What I do like to see is Finn to return to his home world from where he had been taken by the first order when he was still a child. It would reveal something about The First Order, the stormtroopers and hence also about Finn's identity and choices as presented in TFA. It would be great material to make his character evolve in the the next movies.
     
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