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fixing last jedi with one logical change....leia on ah-to

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by zazeron, Mar 6, 2018.

  1. zazeron

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    Rey has no relationship whatsoever to luke....But leia does. Rey and Leia both should have went together to get luke. this helps the film for several reasons

    1. no superman leia sequence, instead Poe would be leading the resistance fleet, with the burden of not having Leia be by his side.

    2. Leia and luke will have painful scenes of luke saying "no" to coming back, as rey is forced to keep a secret from leia...that Luke was the one who tried to kill Ben solo....leading to character conflict


    much more room for character development for all three characters

    yes the plot would change, but considering its reception i do not think that is a negative
     
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    I mean any alternate script sounds better then wut we got. Heck, HISHE was better. HISHE felt more like SW then TLJ did.
     
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    meh, woulda coulda shoulda. you could spend the rest of your life rewriting things you don't like; it won't change them any, but it'll take its toll on you eventually.

    personally, i like your idea.
     
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    Unfortunately this wouldn't have made it better, it actually would have made it worse. You want to know why? Easy. It would have taken away the focus of Rey's character (this is something what Rian already did himself by the end of the movie...). Furthermore Leia would have been pretty useless on Ahch-To besides reuniting with Luke.
     
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    I thought the Luke and Leia reunion in The Last Jedi was very powerful as it was. The one scene they shared was pulled of in a way that really made it worth the wait for me, but I understand that you wanted them to share some more screentime. I think we all looked forward to seeing the big three together when they announced the new trilogy, and while I like the new movies, it is a little sad that we didn't get any of that.
     
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    But Rey going solo (hehe) onto Ahch-To was a decision made by J. J., not Rian, so there's that...
     
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    It is interesting that TLJ had this "that person who has been mean to you for the whole movie is actually really great and wise" moment, because as a former student I feel that with a lot of my teachers.

    But having it be with Leia describing it to Poe about Holdo seems like such an interesting choice, when it would've been equally applicable with Leia explaining it to Rey about Luke.

    I get the desire for more Luke and Leia interaction, particularly since the Big Three shared so little screentime so far in this trilogy. But Leia's place was with the Resistance, I simply can't see her leaving them.
     
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    Leia on Ach-to would have made it a little more bearable. Also if the deleted scene of Luke mourning and then showing Leia mourning over Han's death would have shown this important humanity and why we love our OT 3 so much.
     
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    I disagree with her being useless. She is the mother of the bad guy. Her conversations with Luke would have been far more powerful, because they would have talked about Ben and Han. Luke wouldn't have been dismissive towards his sister the way he was towards Rey. There wouldn't have been scenes of Luke drinking milk from an alien either. We could have found out why Leia believes Snoke was responsible for turning her and Han's son to the dark side. We didn't get much if any humanity from Luke or Leia in this movie.

    I think the big problem with this trilogy is the forced attempt by Kathleen and the directors to make certain actors stars when Star Wars is the real star. We follow Star Wars regardless who is playing what role.
     
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    The issue is this...Rey is a boring character, even if she is not, it is a objective fact Leia has more potential for conflict with Luke than Rey ever did.


    Leia does not know that Luke tried to kill Ben solo...and when she finds out...it will make for a more tense scene
     
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    Trying to fix problems with Last Jedi is like BB8 trying to fix Poe's X wing. You can plug in one hole but another will quickly emerge and you will eventually ram your head into something out of frustration.
     
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    if the story was actually good and the worldbuilding had actual thought put into it....than fixing it would be easy

    the problem is that the sequel trilogy is built off a foundationally broken foundation introduced by abrams....not only did he write the trilogy into a corner, but he created a setting that actively sabotages the actual story in the form of the "contrive-esistance"(resistance) and the first order....when it should have been the republic.
     
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    We didn’t start the fire, it was always burning...

    Chewy tries to eat Porg

    Luke is looking very bored

    Rey can always do no wrong

    Snoke’s demise was a bad song

    Rose and Finn wasted time

    Shirtless Kylo was a crime

    We didn’t start the fire, it was always burning since the world was turning..
     
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    RIAN STARTED THE FIRE!!!!
     
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    "Burn baby, burn..."
    (where's the shot of Luke and Yoda watching the tree burning when you need it!)
     
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    And there's no way Yoda can say "Burn baby, burn" wrong.
     
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    This is exactly what i was thinking you beat me too it. It would of made a better storyline and would’ve connect do the characters a bit better.
     
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    I loved Luke and Leia’s reunion in The Last Jedi. It was one of my favorite scenes in the whole film, if not my favorite. And given the limited screentime the original trio has gotten together so far in this trilogy, I understand where you’re coming from.

    That being said, it makes zero sense from a narrative standpoint for Leia to leave the Resistance to go see Luke. Rey is the main protagonist of the Sequel Trilogy, and having Leia go to Luke not only risks compromising Rey’s character development, but also Poe and Finn’s. Leia needed to be with the Resistance. Rey’s relationship with each original character is important to this trilogy, I think. Leia would only be able to do so much on Ahch-To anyways. Not to mention, Luke connecting with Leia is ultimately one of the main things that drives him back to the fight.

    Luke’s conflict would’ve been resolved very early on had Leia come to Ahch-To with Rey.
     
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    And this is exactly why this trilogy is failing. Once again there is an attempt to push Rey and sometimes Kylo above everyone else. These are ensemble films. Not star driven films. You focus on the larger story, and everyone in it. Rather than creating a hierarchy for the characters.

    Rey is a weak protagonist. Instead of elevating her above everyone else. Elevate the story, because most people aren't watching this movie for Rey.
     
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    agree with every word...character and realistic motivations must drive story above all else. It is more contrived and poorly written for Leia not to go(just as it would be contrived and poorly written for rey to even stay with the resistance)....the reason is that Leia on 2 occasions in the original trilogy did terrible decisions to save han and luke, even when these decisions were terrible. She went back to cloud city to get luke, even when it would have realistically ended with vader jumping down from the air shaft hole and jumping on the falcon....but she did not care.

    That is why the sequel trilogy is not working for a lot of fans....they are shoving The OT format in a place while realistic characters and logical worldbuilding are pushed to the side(or the expanded universe in the case for rey as it had been revealed that her force bond caused her to be skilled).

    nothing demonstrates this more than the worldbuilding...which is so bad and contrived that even the expanded universe is having Maclunkey problems with it.

    The republic has a allergic reaction to military spending even when no realistic country in our planets history ever had that kind of reaction but okay...who also magically falls to pieces when starkiller base destroys 5 planets?

    i dont buy it

    the first order was able to build a galactically powerful military with the funds from the criminal underworld? crime isnt that profitable

    the first order builds a military made entirely of captured children without anyone noticing....even though doing so is less convenient than actual soldier recruitment?

    dont buy it

    the entire resistance faction

    dont buy it


    If realistic storytelling was applied to this setting then none of these would have ever happened
     
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