Fixing the dreadful worldbuilding of the ST

lol, that's because TFA was first! Yeah now Marvel is on a upward trend.. Again, you just don't like a movie. I'd actually like proof that Star Wars is on any kind of a downward trend? Based on one movie?

 

Check out the Rotten Tomatoes viewer rating of Infinity War and compare it to The Last Jedi, that's enough proof for me. To be clear, Infinity war was as "divisive" or more so then The Last Jedi, but fans liked it more for the most part for some reason? Why is that?

 

I like them both so what do I know?

 

And it's ok to admit it is financially successful film series but nevertheless going in the wrong direction. It is on a downward trend and the most recent installment underperformed relative to analyst expectations.

Both statements can be true.

 

Solo is now projected to have a $15M bigger opening weekend than Rogue One. Anyone talking about a "downward trend" is living in fantasy narrative created on the internet.

What will the peanut gallery come up with next?

 

Analysts, as in article writers in the media, variously, average between a 200 to 400 million error rate if you track their forecasts against actuals.
Analysts were roughly this far off with Harry Potter. Shucks.

What really matters is what Disney thinks. Disney put out their quarterly report.
It says TLJ was a success, and they were pleased enough to hire Johnson to make three more films. TLJ was also listed as among the assets which helped offset shortfalls elsewhere.
Tinfoil hat time?

In a sample size of two, since you are ignoring RO, where one title is TFA, the film that Disney has reported as directly aiding to deliver the highest quarter earnings in its whole history, it's entirely meaningless and incorrect to claim that the trend is downward.

Talk about a trend after 9 makes less than TLJ.

Disney and SW are fine; they don't need your concern. The sky is very far from falling.
If you didn't like it; cool.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

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Not to mention, a weird masochistic "fantasy" where you root against something you supposedly love.

 

Even a sample size of two can indicate a trend, but fortunately I have more than just 2 movies. It is a greater concern that merchandising is performing poorly relative to past years. It is especially concerning the 2017, a year in which a main episodic movie was released, didn't even outperform 2016.

As for Rian Johnson's trilogy.... well, I'll believe it when I see it. Given Kathleen Kennedy's historical record, there's at least a 50% chance he gets removed from that production....

 

Man #1: The Prequel Trilogy is ruining Star Wars. George Lucas raped my child hood.

Narrator Voice: It didn't and he didn't.

Man #2: The Sequel Trilogy is ruining Star Wars. Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy are destroying Lucas' baby!

Narrator Voice: It isn't. They aren't.

So....you want MORE merchandising? You do realize since 2015 the amount of merchandising of other tentpole franchises have also eaten into the market? Just how much money do expect people to spend on merchandise to suit your obviously highly advanced rubric?

 

Traveler 3326, is that you?


I ask because for your claim to be true, then you have data that even Disney doesn't have, as here's what they reported on their 4th quarter 2017 fiscal report.

Translation: merchandising during 2016 was so strong, and 2017 was rather regular, that it caused a near stagnant growth rate year over year.

Is Disney freaking out? Nope.
You are. Not Disney.

You.


Disney.


In 2016's 4th quarter, Disney reported their consumer products and interactive media section (merchandise) to have DROPPED 17% from the previous year, even in spite of strong deliveries by titles like Star Wars et. al. because they had other issues outside of that.

Let's see what I can find about people screaming that Star Wars was over at that time because of this...


Hey Disney, how was 4th quarter 2017's yearly report compared to the prior year?

HOLY CRAP!!
Star Wars is doomed!!



Yeah....


Cheers,
Jayson

 

I am calmly and maturely discussing the subject. There is nothing about me "freaking out" and I would like to ask you to please stop with your trolling responses.

--- Double Post Merged, May 4, 2018, Original Post Date: May 4, 2018 ---

I never said I wanted more and I never said I wanted less. I buy what I buy regardless of what others do.

What I said is that merchandising sales are down. There are countless sources for this claim, including Habsro's very own quarterly report. (Why this fact angers and sets off so many people remains a mystery to me)

Hasbro revenue slumps on soft sales of 'Star Wars' toys
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/07/hasbro-reports-fourth-quarter-earnings-2017.html

With 'Star Wars' Toys, the Force May Be Strong, But Retail Sales Aren't
http://fortune.com/2018/01/18/with-star-wars-toys-the-force-is-strong-but-retail-sales-arent/

‘Star Wars' Toy Sales Fall in 2017 as Movie-Tie Fatigue Sets In
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...les-fall-in-2017-as-movie-tie-fatigue-sets-in

 

Those aren't trolling responses.
A troll is one who argues with no invested position, other than to cause unrest and disruption.

I reply as I do because you've repeatedly moved goalposts and ignored actual facts straight from Disney and continue to make hyperbolic claims and conclusions which are contrary to actual facts on record.

I make my posts rather calmy, and though I may at times wrap the content in an entertaining way, I'm quite serious about what I'm saying.

Nice sidestep of the points, by the way.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

I will gladly address any points expressed in a polite manner. What I will not do is respond point by point to a post which was little more than an extended series of memes directed towards me in an insulting and trolling fashion.

 

OK, have it your way.

Here's what they reported on their 4th quarter 2017 fiscal report.

Translation: merchandising during 2016 was so strong, and 2017 was rather regular, that it caused a near stagnant growth rate year over year.

Disney is clearly not worried about this.

In 2016's 4th quarter, Disney reported their consumer products and interactive media section (merchandise) to have DROPPED 17% from the previous year, even in spite of strong deliveries by titles like Star Wars et. al. because they had other issues outside of that.

Disney's 4th quarter 2017's yearly report compared to the prior year.

Towards your follow-up...

Yeah, it hurt Hasbro...kind of.
From your own source links:

And, let's get back to Disney for a moment on this subject, right from their quarterly report for Q1 2018.

Now to circle back to points I made previously about the films, which you did not address, presumably for this same claimed reason you cite here.

Here's Disney's Q1 2018 report regarding TLJ:

Here's what they said about the future of Star Wars.

Conclusion. Disney's fine. Star Wars is fine.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

Yes, you can use a sample size of 2 to develop a trend, but that requires a complicated math equation that I doubt you want to mess with. That's minor compared to the part about 2017 versus 2016. If you're using the numbers that most of Hollywood uses in their reports then you're missing the part where The Force Awakens is added to the 2016 totals. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l.../item/walt-disney-studio-profitability-977490

And the main episodic movie wasn't beating RO enough gross profit wise to counteract 2016. In other words....2016's numbers show 2 Star Wars movies to 2017's 1.

 

That statement supports what I have been saying all along: Merchandising sales are down in 2017 versus 2016. What it is saying is that "Cars and Spider-Man merchandise grew, but overall the merchandising division is down because of Star Wars, Frozen and Finding Dory decreasing so much."

We have no idea what they are or are not worried about. Quarterly reports are, by their very nature, going to put as positive of a spin on things as possible.

What I have read is 2016 was worse than 2015, but that is to be expected as E7 came out in 2015. What is concerning is how 2017 is down versus 2016. In other words, TLJ merchandising is down versus Rogue One.

This quote does nothing to discredit anything I said. I have steadfastly claimed that a movie can be both successful and have underperformed relative to expectations. A movie series can be both successful and be on a downward trend. Those statements each apply here.

Obviously Star Wars isn't going anywhere. And believe me, nobody is more excited to see the production team of Game of Thrones come to the GFFA than I am.

Disney is fine. Star Wars is fine - for now....

 

Yes...down 6%.
You made it out like it was a huge shortfall that was evidence of a downward trend.
6% in a year following a 17% drop the previous year is hardly a downward trend, especially when coupled with Disney citing that Star Wars was the number one toy asset of 2017, and with TLJ being the number one grossing film of 2017.

We have some idea. If they're planning for a future, re-hiring the same people, and bragging about their plans in their fiscal meetings, then that's a pretty good indicator that they aren't worried about how TLJ did, nor worried about a perceived troubling future for Star Wars.

Perhaps you missed it because you have chosen to not read my posts, it seems, but this is what I predicted was going to happen.
I wrote:

Is it tinfoil hat conspiracy time where next we hear how Disney would never admit a problem in their financial reports? Because I pulled a decade's worth and counted around a thousand instances where they literally did report shortfalls if an asset didn't meet their requirements.​

So without the gif, let me say this ... yet again (this is something I have repeatedly shown in these forums).

As I've already pointed out, Disney repeatedly does mention when there are shortfalls in earnings from assets.
They don't always use the term "under-performance", but they also say "lower", "low", "soft", "unfavorable", and "decrease" (and sometimes do actually say "underperformance") in regards to assets that did not meet fiscal responsibilities.

Out of over 1,000 pages of Disney quarterly reports, for example, some variation of these words exist the following amount of times:
Low: 755
Soft: 25
Unfavorable: 35
Decrease: 986
Underperforming: 4

Disney does not state assets are successes in any measure when they are fiscally not a success.​

No.
2016 was down, not because of E7, but because of multiple issues such as Disney spinning down Infinity; which they listed as their primary contributor to the drop.
That said, they also stated that Star Wars in 2016 had a very strong performance, and 2017 also had a good performance, in fact it was the highest earning toy asset of the holiday period, but that still wasn't enough to not drop at all. However, it was enough to offset the losses they had combined across the entire sector such that the losses were only 6% rather than yet another round of double-digits.
Basically this is a stagnant growth year over year.
What they state is that 2016's Star Wars et. al. sales made it harder to reach a gain value in percent change year over year due to losses elsewhere, but that doesn't translate to Star Wars merchandise performing poorly as an asset - they stated quite the opposite in their report, in fact.

It's a fact of context. The position you propose is that Disney's Star Wars toys are a data point, aside from two films, which allow you to conclude that there is a downward trend.
However, that is empirically untrue, as Disney went from a 17% merchandise drop rate to a 6% drop rate and cited Star Wars as being a helper in reducing those drops rates in both years. They did not cite Star Wars as the reason that the drop rates existed - other issues were influencing those drop rates.

Your position relies on Disney having experienced Star Wars merchandise asset drop year over year in the negative, however, Disney does not report this result in context to the value of Star Wars toy merchandise to their merchandising sector. In fact, they claim just the opposite and brag about the Star Wars line's success.

Yes, they can, however that is not happening here.
Disney has repeatedly stated that TLJ was a success, and that their merchandising for Star Wars is doing well, and has repeatedly stated that they have several future plans for the enterprise of the asset.
If Disney thought TLJ was under-performing, as you can see from the 1000 pages of Disney quarterly reports on record...they would have.
They do not, in any way, state that TLJ, nor Star Wars, is under-performing, and instead repeatedly state that it is not only a success, but a strong success, and that Star Wars holds for them an exciting future.

Cool, then we can all agree there's no problem and nothing to worry about because we all agree that Disney and Star Wars is perfectly fine.
All that's happened is that a film came out, and a demographic of people didn't like it.
Yep..sounds like Star Wars to me. That was basically every prequel film, and from when I was a kid, I recall that same experience with the original trilogy sequels as well.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

Just in its 24 hours of Fandango says ticket sales have more then doubled Black Panther's, and Black Panther was a box office success and beat TLJ, right? Keep in mind, these are in its first 24 hours...impressive. Most impressive.

 

This is wonderful news. Let's hope Solo reverses the downward trend!!

 

I was confused at this number but are they counting Memorial Day as part of Opening Weekend? Cause then they’re comparing a 4 day Solo Opening Weekend number with a 3 day Rogue One Opening Weekend number.

Maybe I’m wrong as they are not counting Memorial Day?