1. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice

For the first time, I'm not excited for a new Star Wars movie

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Blazer-Smith, Nov 30, 2016.

  1. Bargwill Tomder

    Bargwill Tomder Rebel Commander

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2016
    Posts:
    218
    Likes Received:
    438
    Trophy Points:
    2,992
    Credits:
    880
    Ratings:
    +639 / 19 / -3
    Having seen the movie twice, I can tell you that it delivers on a lot more than just action and cinematography.
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Wise Wise x 1
  2. cawatrooper

    cawatrooper Jedi General

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2016
    Posts:
    4,027
    Likes Received:
    16,870
    Trophy Points:
    145,167
    Credits:
    16,589
    Ratings:
    +20,915 / 60 / -37
    I never trust critics, and I absolutely disagree with those in this case. Rogue One had some great characters, and though the story was slow at first, the latter half was among the best of Star Wars ever.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. Darth Buzzkill

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2016
    Posts:
    28
    Likes Received:
    22
    Trophy Points:
    12
    Credits:
    365
    Ratings:
    +47 / 3 / -0

    Please do. :)

    At least there were no disputes over taxation of trade routes. (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 21, 2016, Original Post Date: Dec 21, 2016 ---
    I think you nailed it with this post, but still see it. I mean, I had SUCH high expectations for this because it's a slam dunk. You have Episode III on one end, and Episode IV on the other. Just draw the lines and put a great story in!

    Woops.

    MASSIVE editing and reshoots, and it shows. But I give it a 6 out of 10.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  4. Lord Revanous

    Lord Revanous Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2016
    Posts:
    181
    Likes Received:
    3,555
    Trophy Points:
    13,042
    Credits:
    5,005
    Ratings:
    +3,794 / 2 / -0
    I feel like if you rely on critics only feedback, and look into the bad (The minimal R1 has), then any movie you can make into a bad movie.
    As a Star Wars fanatic, I don't care what some casual journo paid to be there says.... I form my own opinion and the movie is a slam dunk! Destroyed most of the SW movies we have been given, for story and visuals! It's a beautiful and comforting confirmation that they care about the Star Wars fans and their future!
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
  5. Bargwill Tomder

    Bargwill Tomder Rebel Commander

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2016
    Posts:
    218
    Likes Received:
    438
    Trophy Points:
    2,992
    Credits:
    880
    Ratings:
    +639 / 19 / -3
    You must be a more discerning viewer than I, because if I had never read about the reshoots, I wouldn't have guessed about them. There was no indication to me in the film that I saw.

    People talk about the need for more character development, but I think they did as well as you can within the constraints of a 135 minute film. I agree with the person who suggested it could have been a bit longer, with more involved intros to each character, but I don't think it suffered from the lack of extended intros, and I think it's a fine line- many people would have complained of the film being too long.

    I think Gareth Edwards did just about as good with this assignment as he possibly could have. My advice to anyone who hasn't seen it yet is read Catalyst, then enjoy the film.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. Bosc

    Bosc Force Attuned
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2015
    Posts:
    3,457
    Likes Received:
    5,785
    Trophy Points:
    15,522
    Credits:
    6,864
    Ratings:
    +8,500 / 65 / -17
    The confirmation bias is strong with this thread.
     
    • Wise Wise x 4
    • Like Like x 2
  7. Fearghas_Ajax

    Fearghas_Ajax Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2015
    Posts:
    1,420
    Likes Received:
    2,612
    Trophy Points:
    10,967
    Credits:
    3,893
    Ratings:
    +4,097 / 26 / -18
    I personally take what a critic says with a grain of salt. I've read critiques with high praise but personally found the movie just ok. I've also seen movies that had so-so critiques but thought it was a great movie. At the end of the day, even a review from a "professional" critic is still just an opinion of someone else. It may just not have been their type of movie. No one can tell you what your opinion of a movie is. I'd suggest to just take a moment and find out for yourself. You may just enjoy it!

    I think the characters were well developed for a war movie with an ensemble of cast members. If you take war movies from other well-known directors such as "Saving Private Ryan" or "Platoon", you didn't learn much about the background of most of the cast. Usually just of the main member or members. You learn Tom Hank's character was a teacher in "Saving Private Ryan" and you learn some things about Charlie Sheen's character in Platoon, but you don't learn in-depth details about the rest fo the characters. You don't learn to care about them because of their past. You love them because of the moment, their current situation and their interaction with each other. I think RO does this just as well as any other war movie.
     
    #107 Fearghas_Ajax, Dec 22, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2016
    • Like Like x 4
  8. StoneRiver

    StoneRiver Rebel General

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2015
    Posts:
    302
    Likes Received:
    861
    Trophy Points:
    4,167
    Credits:
    2,313
    Ratings:
    +1,143 / 14 / -3
    I wasn't excited for this film either. I got burned so bad with TFA (pre-bought tickets for 3 showings in 24 hours and I ended up really disappointed on the first viewing).

    However, once it came out at the cinema, the excitement started getting to me. So I caved in and went to see it this past weekend. Only 29 people in there out of 650, which I was surprised about. But generally, I liked the film. I thought both the writers and the director had way more respect for the stories already told than the hacks that rebooted the saga with TFA. Out of the 9 canon films released so far, I'd rank it around 4th (behind Empire, Hope and Sith).
     
  9. Blazer-Smith

    Blazer-Smith Clone Commander

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2015
    Posts:
    84
    Likes Received:
    123
    Trophy Points:
    312
    Credits:
    531
    Ratings:
    +273 / 14 / -2
    One critic said that it's only an OK movie because it's Star Wars and that if R1 was outside of the Star Wars Galaxy then it wouldn't be that great. I can see some truth in that statement echoed in all of the comments here. If you are a "I'll watch anything and everything Star Wars" kind of fan, of course you'll forgive any faults. If you're like me and you can barely choke down most episodes of "Rebels" because it's basically the same story every week, then you are more critical.

    I'm glad you guys enjoyed the movie. I'll rent it someday and eat crow if needed.
     
  10. Ree Yees

    Ree Yees Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2014
    Posts:
    635
    Likes Received:
    852
    Trophy Points:
    6,892
    Credits:
    1,791
    Ratings:
    +1,571 / 91 / -24
    Hi all, I feel like my first impressions review of the movie belonged here. I was hyped and excited before the film, but after seeing the premiere I haven't felt much need to see it again. That's pretty telling, although I am not 100% dissatisfied with the film and I actually believe a second viewing/chance will improve my opinion, it .. I don't know it just didn't make me intensely interested whether positive or negative. I wouldn't mind seeing it again but I'm not blowing money on ten cinema visits either.
    Oh well if you're bored and feel like chewing through a 10,000 word ramble here is the link.

    http://slynt.blogspot.no/2016/12/rogue-one-rantish-review-or-reviewish.html?m=1

    Remember, first impressions, not a locked opinion for the ages. Also, not edited so a bit of rambling. The blog is mostly about another franchise but this post is a SW exclusive

    Merry Whillsmas!
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. SKB

    SKB Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2015
    Posts:
    2,448
    Likes Received:
    2,916
    Trophy Points:
    11,367
    Credits:
    6,419
    Ratings:
    +7,145 / 413 / -290
    There's not enough content in Rogue One to make me go back and see it for a third time. My second time was about going back to check and confirm details I missed, which it mostly did, and I didn't enjoy the second time as much as my first. I probably won't see it again until Bluray release, but I'm not excited or in a rush to see it again.
    ;)
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. Ammianus Marcellinus

    Credits:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0
    Seriously, the only person who does not display any character development is the one apparently most liked by the fans: chirrut. The Force Awakens is like ESB and ANH far superior to Rogue One, yet Rogue One is far superior to ROTJ and the prequels. As for the original poster: don't be a fool, go watch Rogue One. I love it, you'll love it!
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 22, 2016, Original Post Date: Dec 22, 2016 ---
    My dad is not particular in love with Star Wars but loves old war movies like Guns of Navarone. He really enjoyed Rogue One. If you're into old style war movies, Rogue One might be something for you. I don't watch Rebels too, quite frankly, I can't stand it, but there is a lot of depth in Rogue One and stuff, from a narrative point especially, that you haven't seen before or probably ever will see in a Star Wars movie again.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. DarthWarEagle

    DarthWarEagle Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2015
    Posts:
    207
    Likes Received:
    348
    Trophy Points:
    1,957
    Credits:
    955
    Ratings:
    +601 / 22 / -13
    Reshoots have become a bad word and are impossible to conceal. If I were a movie studio I would just tell the producer and the director to allocate the reshoot budget to the initial filming. Film all the possibilities, alternate endings, angles, etc...the first go round. This would make the film a lot less expensive also. I would imagine this is the way most films work anyways. But honestly, if no one knew there were reshoots for R1, they would not know what portion of the film was reshot or not.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  14. SKB

    SKB Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2015
    Posts:
    2,448
    Likes Received:
    2,916
    Trophy Points:
    11,367
    Credits:
    6,419
    Ratings:
    +7,145 / 413 / -290
    It's clear (to me) that Rogue One had more violence and had more character depth before the reshoots. For instance, Jyn was supposed to be ruder, cockier and more rebellious. She was even interrogated by the Rebels while wearing restraints! Perhaps Disney thought their core audience of families and children would be upset by too much violence and rudeness and had the reshoots and re-editing done to tone it all down to a more "safer" and more profitable PG version that we have seen. Maybe one day there could be a re-release of a restored non PG version?
    ;)
     
    #114 SKB, Dec 22, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2016
  15. Bargwill Tomder

    Bargwill Tomder Rebel Commander

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2016
    Posts:
    218
    Likes Received:
    438
    Trophy Points:
    2,992
    Credits:
    880
    Ratings:
    +639 / 19 / -3
    I don't think that is "clear" at all. Have you read about how Disney actually encouraged Edwards to go dark? Also, it is rated PG-13, and it's a hard PG-13, closer to R than PG.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Wise Wise x 1
  16. Bosc

    Bosc Force Attuned
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2015
    Posts:
    3,457
    Likes Received:
    5,785
    Trophy Points:
    15,522
    Credits:
    6,864
    Ratings:
    +8,500 / 65 / -17
    I agree, and this gives me an opportunity to clarify my earlier comment about confirmation bias. It wasn't geared at any one person or viewpoint, but almost everyone in this thread. Whether it's Disney, or reshoots, or any other thing, people seem to have their perceptions going in and are using any scrap of anything to validate them... and completely dismissing other points of view. No crime is being committed, but it's interesting to watch.

    To the OP, you do you. I think you'll like the movie when you rent it, but no crow is needed. ;)
     
    • Like Like x 3
  17. stencil

    stencil Rebel General

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2015
    Posts:
    252
    Likes Received:
    522
    Trophy Points:
    4,217
    Credits:
    1,422
    Ratings:
    +762 / 9 / -3
    It seems like we have similar views on Star Wars. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like this movie much. You're better off waiting for video.

    I really enjoyed TFA and saw it in the theaters 4 times but I was only moderately excited for Rogue One. It really fell flat for me on the character development. Nobody had any chemistry with anybody else, backstories were thin to non-existent. For me I just didn't feel emotionally invested in it, and most importantly I just didn't enjoy it all that much. Not a terrible movie by any stretch, but not particularly good either.

    This guy gets what movies are about. For me, I didn't connect with these characters.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  18. Darth Wardawg

    Darth Wardawg Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2014
    Posts:
    1,184
    Likes Received:
    3,270
    Trophy Points:
    12,667
    Credits:
    4,406
    Ratings:
    +4,193 / 71 / -23
    No, you won't eat crow. Just because a critic or two confirmed your bias does not make it so. Personally, I don't care for Rebels as, like you said, it's the same thing week after week. However, Rogue One is a very good film. The acting is very good as is the story/plot.

    As for character development, I whole heartedly disagree. Jyn does not care for the rebellion and does not want to get involved. She changes her mind and sacrifices her life for the cause. Cassian, hardened by what he has done/seen for the rebellion, also changes by the end. I could go on. Each to his own and all that, but this film was well done and so far second only to Empire in my opinion.
     
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  19. Blazer-Smith

    Blazer-Smith Clone Commander

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2015
    Posts:
    84
    Likes Received:
    123
    Trophy Points:
    312
    Credits:
    531
    Ratings:
    +273 / 14 / -2
    So, you're saying I WILL eat crow.
    [​IMG]
     
    • Like Like x 1
  20. Darth Wardawg

    Darth Wardawg Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2014
    Posts:
    1,184
    Likes Received:
    3,270
    Trophy Points:
    12,667
    Credits:
    4,406
    Ratings:
    +4,193 / 71 / -23
    I mean you won't as you've already decided. You've decided you aren't going to like it and you'll simply see what you want to see. I hope that makes more sense.


     
    • Great Post Great Post x 2
Loading...

Share This Page