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For the first time, I'm not excited for a new Star Wars movie

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Blazer-Smith, Nov 30, 2016.

  1. Blazer-Smith

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    The only thing I've decided is that there is enough evidence that this movie is probably light on story and heavy on 'splosions for me to sit it out until it's on DVD. I've had this opinion about many other movies and was proven correct and a few times incorrect (e.g. Mad Max Fury Road).
     
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    Wow I could never sit out on a Star Wars film... blasphemy!!!! We are in the era of the big budget fan film get over it. My turn...
     
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    FWIW, from my perspective you are really missing out on one of the best Star Wars experiences, all because you heard the film might not be what some people wanted it to be. Don't deprive yourself of the opportunity to decide for... yourself...
     
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    Wow- I really feel like you are way off here! This film is all about the story- the characters serve it completely in a way that they clearly did not in TFA (where it was the other way around). As far as "heavy on 'splosions" I don't think there is really a gratuitous level of that. Again, I feel that TFA kind of does that more than Rogue One, where the bombast is tempered by the need to serve the unfolding plot.
     
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    What evidence is there of that? There is actually evidence of this movie being the exact opposite. As for heavy on explosions... What do you expect? It's a war movie. All of the Star Wars films have quite a bit of 'splosions (as you say).

    Honestly, I'm not sure how ANYONE can call themselves a fan of a series and then sit out what could easily be one of the best films of the series. But hey, it's your choice.
     
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    To add on to what Darth Wardawg is saying, Rogue One has been rated top 3 in Star Wars films by the fan review aggregators at both Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB.
     
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    Your opinion of TFA tells me a lot. That movie was great. Even critics that like R1 admit that the R1 characters are a little two dimensional.
     
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    Don't care about Han Solo film. Don't care about Boba Fett film. Dreading Episode VIII because its a sequel to the awful Episode VII.
    Sad times. :(
     
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    Has anybody else seen Red Letter Media's two reviews of Rogue One? I've been watching their show for years, but I'm genuinely shocked that I have disagreed with them this strongly about a film. They seem to think it's a deeply flawed film, but I think it's actually one of the strongest films in the series from a cinematic perspective. Or am I just crazy? I do know the creators of Red Letter Media have previously expressed disdain for the notion of an Expanded Universe, and having to watch anything outside of Episodes 4-7 to get information. So is it just their bias bleeding through? They even called Jyn a dull and uninteresting character, which I have to strongly disagree with.
     
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    I tend to agree, there have been 5 SW movies since the OT and none of them have come close to that level, with the PT being especially egregious, particularly the laughably overrated ROTS.
     
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    I think a lot of fans overrate much of the series. There's really 2 'great' movies, probably 3 'good' movies, an OK movie (ROTS), and two disasters. Its probably a similar percentage to the Star Trek films (from a psychotic Trekkie perspective, but that's a whole different thread) - a few great ones, a few good ones, a few duds.

    If its a good movie and adds some excitement to the characters, then I'm happy. And I was pretty darn happy about R1. So happy to get on with the next one!
     
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    I suppose we were pretty spoiled with the OT, you're right, the first two are great and Jedi is good. I'd differ with you on ROTS, I think it's a pretty bad movie, the other two are indeed terrible, though I've always thought there's enough within them to possibly make one decent movie, apparently the actor Topher Grace did just that, though it's not available anywhere. Apart from the highly derivative nature of the story, I thought TFA was well done. RO has surprised me, in that I like it less with every subsequent viewing, Felicity Jones is the female Sam Worthington.
     
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    I agree.

    I've been a fan of RLM for years, but there R1 review is insane. It's very apparent when someone is determined to hate a film from the start.
     
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    I find it difficult to rate ROTS. It gave us what we actually wanted, but watching Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman struggle through some even worse dialogue and the awful turn of Anakin make me....sometimes.....rank it under TPM....I go back and forth on it. TFA was well done, and RO is an interesting experiment and fun for fans. I think Cassian was a better character than Jyn, but they were both good in it.

    Sam Worthington will not be seen out of blue CGI makeup ever again after Terminator Salvation.......ugh. But we'll see Felicity Jones plenty in the future, maybe not sci-fi action-adventure, but she's a good actress.
     
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    I just found Anakin's turn very unbelievable, especially his rampage through the Jedi temple. And yes, much of the dialogue in that movie is just bizarrely bad. RO an interesting experiment, fun for fans - yeah I can buy that - it's certainly not better or as good as, any of the OT as some people have been saying. Unlike RO, I find TFA benefits greatly from multiple viewings, I like it more each time. I saw FJ in Inferno recently and thought, similar to RO, she was very inexpressive for much of the movie, though maybe that's what the part required, I'd have to watch it again.
     
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    Her work in A Monster Calls and Theory of Everything is what she makes her bones on. Action-adventure might not be her thing but she was fine in this film, even if she doesn't lift other characters up like Daisy Ridley and Harrison Ford do in their SW roles. Luna was the fun one - can we get a Cassian Andor/K2 comic????

    I have some reservations with ROTJ so I find RO on par and currently tied with ROTJ. They're pretty similar from my perspective. But there's such a gap between those two and the prequels that I think we can all comfortably move forward lol
     
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    I rate AotC at the absolute bottom of the pile. Even if history judges TFA and RO as not good twenty years from now, they are still far more competent films than AotC is. A convoluted mystery plot... a cringe-worthy love story... a villain who doesn't show up until half-way through the movie and never really does anything to give us a reason to hate him... it's a mess. Maybe not all of the characters in RO have detailed arcs, but at least all of them grow throughout the film and say and do things that are within the realm of human possibility. Padmé staying with Anakin after he confesses to mass murder, and not running away screaming is the most immersion-breaking scene in cinematic history.
     
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    Rogue One is a war movie.
    As another poster mentioned, Guns of Navarone (Big ups to the sequel Force 10 From Navarone with a newly famed Harrison Ford) and other older war movies are the clear hallmarks for Rogue One. It plays very much like a story driven war movie.

    Most Star Wars movies are character driven. The characters push the story because they are essentially bigger than the story.
    Star Wars isn't really about the rebellion and the war, it's about Luke Skywalker and his family. It's a character study into the Skywalkers.
    Rogue One is a story driven movie about the plans for the Death Star and the characters are the ones needed because the events of the movie make it so.

    Rogue One is one of the better *war* movies I have seen in a good long time. (Hacksaw Ridge holds the title for best).
    Does it matter that it isn't a real war? Maybe to some.
    But it's arguably better film making than a lot of revered war movies.
    It took the essence of Dirty Dozen (and it's indirect remake) Inglorious Basterds and fashioned it onto Star Wars characters.

    If anything the stigma of Star Wars holds it back over boosting it up. We have certain expectations and visions of our own Star Wars.
    This was different.
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    A Monster Calls looks delightful. Bayona is a hell of a director. Wonder if JW2 is his Star Wars audition tape.

    He's actually incredibly good in Mel Gibson's Hacksaw Ridge. One of, if not the best war movies ever made. ;)
     
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    What helped me is appreciate Rogue One is that I went into it almost with the mentality that the Galactic Civil War was a historical event, and that Rogue One was a dramatization about one of the pivotal events in the war. I found myself caring far more than I have in other prequel films- PT and Hobbit Trilogy, I'm looking at you- and really wanting to see how the movie ended, even though I knew how the situation would ultimately wind up.
     
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    That's how I approached it when they said it would be a war movie.
     
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