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For those who disliked this trilogy so far, can it be redeemed with episode 9?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Aglarion, Dec 17, 2017.

  1. Aglarion

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    Many of us dislike some of the choices made in this trilogy so far, we all have our particular and varied reasons for it.
    Can in your opinion episode 9 change how you feel about this trilogy as a whole?
    What would need to happen in episode 9 in order for you to like this trilogy?

    For me at least I guess it's still possible and these are the main points that need addressing:

    - Luke needs to make amends with Kylo somehow, I think his involvement in Kylo's fall was completely out of character and so is his choice to give up on his nephew. He needs to apologize and tell Kylo it's never too late or at least help Rey in this task.
    - Rey's exceptional strength in the force needs farther clarification, she must either be a Skywalker or else have an origin similar to Anakin.
    - Snoke must have survived somehow, Kylo and Hux just don't cut it as the main antagonists for the end of the saga.
     
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    First.

    Remember this Rey Retcon. I created that!.

    Moving on, the damaged is done 4 me. Even Thrawn can't save this train wreck 4 me.
     
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  3. Aglarion

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    Remember what? Did you miss a link somewhere?
     
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    Somebody else started Rey Retcon?
     
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    Bring back snoke and say he was Darth Plagueis.

    Have him knock off Finn, Poe, Rose. Resurrect Holdo just to knock her off again, and then I guess Yoda, Anakin, and Obi Wan have to go come back and use force lightning to do him in finally this time. Since apparently that is real now.

    Send Kylo Ren to his room.
     
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    Star Wars is bigger than Ryan Johnson.
     
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    Seriously you can't fix this.

    This is Transformers now.
     
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    I'm not sure what you are talking about, is that on another thread? mind sharing a link?
     
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    I don't see how. I'm not trying to be a moaning mertle, I'm just ready to move on from this trilogy.
     
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    I say JJ has a mission impossible for IX.
     
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    I'm asking u friend.
     
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    I would say not. He single-handedly destroyed the Star Wars universe with one movie.
     
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    there's a couple for me:
    1) Luke needs not to actually have died. so, he either 'force transported' to add to a growing list of unexplained techniques, or, the Ach-To scene is also a mirage. he went out like a punk.. though some people see it as this 'awesome poetic ending' i thought giving us a power thats never been seen before (minus Legends) and then killing him through 'exertion' through that power, is Deus Ex Machina as you can get, only serving... as a means of distracting the FO... i mean.. come on. at least do something that is more significant. your first act was to destroy a Death Star for gods sake. this is Luke Skywalker, someone who stood up to more dire circumstances than any seen in the ST.. FYI: its not that hes dead, its that the whole thiing felt forced, out of character, and anti climatic. As a comparison, i also felt Jinn's death felt rushed and Old Ben's death, upon repeat views, while executed at least well, still is a bit cringe (especially with Vader stepping on the cloak).
    2) well we cant 'fix' Super Leia, but maybe explain how that scene worked in the context of the universe. at least give us a satisfactory death with Leia, not off-screen.
    3) neuter Rey. way too OP and for no good reason. this has many consequences. one, for me, is that theres no tension going into 9. the big bad has already been beaten once by her, 'drew' a second (the lightsaber breaking in half) and has been saved by her twice. they also need to explain how she's so powerful, equal to Ren who's trained at least 10 years more than her, with Luke Skywalker, with the additional benefit of being a Skywalker offspring.
    4) explain the Force Ghost powers/interacting with the real world. i've seen the Mortis Arc, this needs to be expanded on within the context of what we've just seen.
    5) cant really explain light/hyper speed ramming as thats opened a can of worms that make all battles prior relatively silly and by extension, the characters involved in those battles all must have been silly too. but maybe go into why that was a once off thing.
    6) they need to utilize the world and lore of Star Wars more. they have all these toys in the box, but choose to only pick one or two to play with (outside staples, such as Star Destroyers - or any imperial weaponry tbh - and lightsabers or should i say: 1 and a half lightsabers) what happened throughout the 30 years of relative peace? the OT and PT all had lots of info drops on what came before to set up where we find ourselves on screen, not only that, they would actively increase the tension to the plot by referencing these things? drop an info drop on legendary Jedi? th presence of Vader throughout gives us a need for them. talk about the Sith? the presence of a familiar cloaked villain and a cloaked, mysterious villain following the Jedi around creates tension.
    in the ST, its mainly quips about stuff we already know. give us something new. in 9 i want to see strides made in this department. they had set up a couple of these things to have unique and impacting moments (what happened to Luke? what happened to the Academy? what happened to Ben? who are the KOR? who is Snoke and where'd he come from? what happened to the Sith? if the Force 'awakened' who else is out there?) - so far the answers to those questions have been big let downs or not even answered at all despite the powers that be surely knowing that these are things that are raised and hype builds around them. Lucas had problems with execution and dialogue in the the Prequels, but at the very least he knew how to create moments and then give us a satisfying answer., whether it was fan service or not. for example, Snoke, while not a MASSIVE let down for me personally, has been one to many fans. the build up was done well with him. i cant say the same for any of the other characters. i feel the KOR are a good example of what could have been. reference them, show a stormy vision of them even, but it came to.... nothing (yet, but the point is, the other two trilogies didnt really take 3 episodes for something that is essentially a plot device to build tension, to pay off - bigger things, like the Emperor, or the fall of Skywalker, sure, but these arent comparable - thats more so something equivalent in this trilogy to seeing whats going to happen with Ren). its just things like this that i feel the ST lacks or has executed poorly and i cant really articulate how that can be created for 9, as they have effectively written themselves into a corner with certain things and others - theyve opened it up to the point where i cant really see what way theyre going to go: an example is the size and capabilities of the FO (which seems to be infinite) and the Republic (who are now Rebels, apparently...). so i guess im hoping for some tidying up and then creating something that isnt an inferior replica to what we already have seen, what we already know, and spice up the era we are watching. no Jedi/no Sith is one thing, but if youre gonna take this away, they need to spice everything else around it up.
    7) LESS MARVEL HUMOR! THERE DOES NOT NEED TO BE A JOKE EVERY 2 MINUTES! THE JOKES DO NOT NEED TO HAPPEN IN DRAMATIC MOMENTS! cut it out
     
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    I'd be more interested in a movie about JJ trying to fix this than the actual episode 9.

    The 3 points by the OP would help, but honestly, I think SW just lost a bunch of fans.

    I think they'll have some books out explaining some things too. Maybe Luke was possessed by the spirit of Palpatine when he was having those dark thoughts about killing his nephew lol.

    Honestly, I think they just threw out some fans and added others. Time will tell if they'll lose anything substantial from a profit point of view, but I don't think it'll be much. The Disney trilogy will just cater to a different demographic.
     
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    Agree and there are also more points than this.
     
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    -Luke did apologise. He tells Ben, "I'm sorry I failed you" before their duel.
    -It would now make 0 sense for Rey to be a Skywalker/solo. I'm sorry if you really want her to be one, but TLJ has killed that possibility and not every main FO user is a Skywalker. Ben is the Skywalker descendant of the ST, it's as much his story as Rey's.
    -Snoke we can agree on. I'm still mad at his "explanation".
     
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    To answer the thread, they can redeem it, but its going to be extremely hard for me personaly, they would have to do some things that im almost sure they won't.
     
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    I'm sorry you feel that way. The ST, though, is the OT of a new generation.

    I'm sure in 10-20 years, children now will be adults then and will make the same points and arguments we are making now on a forum somewhere.

    "The SST (sequel sequel trilogy) ruined Rey's character, why did she die like that?" Kinda deal.
     
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    Even if she was, what would have that improved? How would it not make her anything else other than a glorified cardboard cutout? In order for this to even work, you'd also have to redo most of the script for the past two films.
     
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    Because reasons. Somehow she would've had a "real" father/daughter relationship with Luke, despite having a pseudo one in TLJ.
     
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