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For those who disliked this trilogy so far, can it be redeemed with episode 9?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Aglarion, Dec 17, 2017.

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    That's questionable.
     
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    To you it is. But it's what Disney was pushing.
     
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    For me if they make snokes death part of his plan to drag Kylo to the dark side.Cut out the silly humor,or at least turn it down a notch. And if possible somehow elaborate on the force ghost stuff.So if JJ can tie all three movies together instead of them feeling like 3 disconnected movies,I'll be satisfied.
     
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    Episode IX draft by me

    Snoke returns, almost kills Kylo who escapes and is saved by Leia and Rey and Chewy. Leia is killed by Snoke. The Milenium Falcon is blown up Chewy dies, Rey and Kylo are also on board but survive by using force teleportation (new power btw) to the nearby rebel ship saving one porg as well. They escape, ghost Luke, ghost Leia and Kylo make peace, Kylo is still left conflicted but decides to help because the only one left to hate on is Snoke. Rey and Kylo develop a romantic relationship but never consummate it.

    Poe, Finn, Kylo and BB8 go on a side mission to gather the rest on the rebel alliance for the final showdown versus Snoke and the first order. They have to deal with the implications of intergalactic capitalism but their mission is an overall success, and they develop best "bros" relationship.
    The final battle: Snoke killed for good, the first order are defeated but not gone, Hux survives, Kylo Ren and Poe both die.
    The others survive and form a new republic. Rey is pregnant with a force child. She starts to teach a new generation of jedi learning on the job herself, kid with the broom is there.

    We cut to a General Hux exiting hyperspace on his star destroyer. He is near an unknown planet; Darth Vader theme plays in the background. General Hux visits and establishment on the surface of the planet. We are greeted by a phantom menace looking Darth Sidious who explains he found a way to clone himself and when he sensed Snoke's presence he decided to go into hiding himself beleiving that was Plagueis coming back for his a**. He gloats that the time of the sith is once again near and mentions his apprentice needs to start training as soon as possible. His apprentice is revealed to be a clone of Kylo Ren.
     
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    None of the above.

    As I read the things you all would like to happen, it all involves some crazy "NOBODY DIES" theories of resurrection and obsession with EXPLAINING every little detail.

    Luke doesn't need to apologize to Kylo. He already did it. He told Leia he couldn't save him. They made it pretty clear that the only people that Ben Solo has any inkling of compassion for are Leia and Rey. With Leia gone, Rey has to be the one to redeem him. Ben Solo will have to turn on his own people and save Rey and the new Rebels. It's the only way I see for redemption.

    Rey's strength HAS BEEN EXPLAINED. She is the EQUAL in the light to Kylo. She has RAW ability. She has let the light in and has great control over the dark side. She's not afraid. She's not selfish. She's dedicated and self taught. She's not looking to the horizon. She just wants a place to call home with people she can care about and that will care about her. She wants a family. Fortunately for her, she has been taken in and accepted by the most powerful force family in the GFFA.

    Snoke was a terrible villain and needed to go. This story needed to be different. I personally predicted Kylo Ren would kill Snoke. It was pretty apparent that Snoke was not a true Master and Mentor to him. Snoke did the heavy lifting by influencing the politicians and powerful "money people" in the galaxy to rebuild the Empire in order to have a central government controlling the galaxy. He must have had the arms dealers and weapons manufacturers in his back pocket. It was probably easy to do with his mind control abilities. All of that BORING TO WATCH. Now we will see reckless Kylo Ren struggle to keep the FO together as the Arms Dealers and Weapons Makers begin funding the new Rebellion. War is their business.

    I would like to see the following based on what we've been left with...

    Allies of the Rebellion will band together. Maybe some old friends like Lando and Maz Kanata finally get into the fight. I'd love to see Kasyyyk and Mandalore heavily involved. We will see these factions rising up and driving out the FO from different star systems throughout the movie.

    Luke will be a force ghost and help Rey finish his 3 lessons. He will even visit his nephew one last time. Maybe by the end, he will have found new force users for Rey to train another generation.

    JJ will give us a heavy flashback sequence that explains more about why Ben Solo is so consumed by the dark, and why Luke had his moment of weakness. I think we will really start to hate Ben Solo and want to see him gone. It will explain the rain KOR sequence from TFA.

    Kylo Ren will have his Knight of Ren back at his side as he will be fearful of betrayal from Hux and others. He will be the most alone person in the galaxy. Everyone will be after him. The Rebels, Hux, his own Commanders, the banks, the arms dealers, everyone will want a piece of Kylo Ren. He will be paranoid and go too far killing his own people.

    The Rebels will have a super weapon this time. Maybe the Battering Ram ship that was rumored in TFA that wasn't used. They will also have the ability to cloak in hyperspace to avoid tracking.

    Coruscant will return as a planet. As well as Jakku.

    After force ghost Luke finally gives Rey the guidance and fathering that she needs, Rey will sentimentally take his last name SKYWALKER and rebuild the Jedi.
     
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    This would be an amazing turn and development for both characters and history. Love it
     
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    Rey and Ren should fall in love with each others, riding the sunset and disappear after defeat Snoke together (if snoke alive in ep 9).

    Their child is a pure embodiment of the force, having both the dark and the light side in self.

    Fast forward esp 10 (after 15-20 years). Now FO has full control of the galaxy, while Rebellion(RE) is hiding in unknown region preparing to strike the FO.
    Tada, we have new character - It's Reylo's child.
    Both FO and RE trying to gain the child for themselves because of how immensely strong the child is. They send "force agents" to draw the child to their side.
    Then FO agent fall to the light side while RE agent fall to dark side. And the child has to choose.
    Then in ep 11, Ren and Rey will come back and protect their child, say that they're sorry because they're not there when the child needed them. Create more conflict in the child, would the child forgive Ren and Rey? Or he will succumb to the dark side because of hatred?

    At this rate may as well turn starwars in pure fantasy. Work much better.

    Princess? Check.
    Prince? Check.
    Both live happily ever after? Check.
    A child? Check.
    Skywalker linage continue? Check.
    People interested in new character? Check.
    Smarter evil empire? Check.
    Disney kid fantasy? Check.
    Disney female fantasy? Check.
    Disney's Destiny fantasy? Check.
    NEW TOYS? CHECK CHECK CHECK.
    New lore? Check. (The recruitment of force users from FO and RE)
    New interesting characters? Check.
    New planet? Check.

    There will be no jedi or sith the next trilogy, just FO vs RE.

    TLJ made both FO and RE leaders full joke.
     
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    Rey Skywalker/Solo in EP IX or Disney SW dies in the hearts of
    to many people for it to be able to maintain its former glory..
    Even than,We have ugly duckling,it is the question Will the EP IX turn EP VIII,the ugly duckling, in to a Swan,or Will IT be Swan song.
     
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    FOR THOSE WHO DISLIKED THIS TRILOGY SO FAR, CAN IT BE REDEEMED WITH EPISODE 9?

    No

    JJA could write and direct something that is possibly quite good. Trouble is, Rian (god help us) will undoo it again and do his own thing. We will be back to square one again.

    Listen, Disney and Rian killed star wars. Everyone across the internet is saying the same thing.

    Its finished.

    Cherish what you already have.
     
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    I'm not sure it can be redeemed. For a series of epic films that span generations, TFA and TLJ take place over what feels like a week, this is like Odysseus getting lost on Monday and home by Friday evening. Even if JJ puts in a 5 year time jump, the opportunity to make this feel truly epic has already been squandered. The idea that the 30 years between ROTJ and TFA was filled with nothing but misery for our main characters, the the Empire essentially remained in place and just rebranded AND grew massively more powerful than the original with no real explanation...just so lazy.

    The fact TLJ had to rely on flashbacks to explain something reveals the weakness of the ST, it suggests their plan for these three films is flimsy at best, incoherent at worst. Slow motion in action sequences?? Star Wars never needed these gimmicks, it just relied on good storytelling and the emotional kick.

    Luke and Rey had no chemistry, they developed no relationship of any significance. She learned nothing from him at all in fact she has learned nothing from anyone, it seems all she has to do is decide what the right thing to do is and she does it with no struggle or effort, it just happens. She doesn't earn her heroism. What hook is there to keep me interested? I know she's just going to be fine and come out on top in any situation she finds herself in.

    The saddest thing for me, as a life long fan who has watched every film in the cinema when they were released is that I don't really care what happens anymore, I think Rian Johnson is a film maker who makes films with his purely is head and none of his heart. All the other films had a heart, warmth, hope - even Empire left you feeling warm because at it's core it was about love and friendship and you know they are going to save their friend in the next movie. ROTS ends hopefully with the birth of Luke and Leia.

    Johnson splits up Rey and Finn in TLJ but it really serves no purpose, if it had been Rey that rammed his ski out of the way of the battering ram, I might have cared because they had a previously established relationship. If Leia/Ackbar had sacrificed themselves with the light speed jump instead of a character we met for 10 mins, I might have cared.

    The Force is now a deus ex machina, you could attribute absolutely anything to it to explain away bad plotting, which completely undermines it. The internal logic of it as a device in the story is undone. Force ghosts can summon lightning, so why don't they just stop the first order by taking out all the bad guys?

    I think the damage is done, after watching TLJ I can no longer enjoy TFA and in turn if I take TLJ as anything other than bad, big budget fan fiction it ruins the other six films. The ending of TFA was sublime, that incredible score by John Williams as one of the most iconic characters in pop culture turned around in his jedi robes- so massively uplifting and emotional, especially after the death of another icon - Han Solo. But Rian Johnson just takes a big, steaming dump on it, I honestly feel nothing but disappointment when I watch that scene now and know how anticlimactic the whole thing is. There was no need for him to be in Jedi robes at all for that end sequence which really suggests they didn't know what they were doing. Rian retconned JJ, now JJ has to retcon Rian, what a tragic, disappointing, inconsistent mess.
     
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    It honestly looks doubtful. I didn't like the prequels, but at least George Lucas had serious messages and a coherent story he wanted to tell.

    This new trilogy has lost its compelling emotional thrust and the story is incoherent. There is no serious message. Anyone can be special? Please. The Incredibles destroyed that cliche pap years ago.

    Giving the movies episode numbers but not focusing on a Skywalker protagonist? No moving themes of family and no wise handling of the spirituality of the Force?

    I'm starting to accept that this is just a cash grab, a sucker-play for old fans like myself, who thought Disney/Lucasfilm might actually produce an emotionally satisfying trilogy.

    That looks almost impossible now. Too much work to do in one film, after the blown opportunity of the two-and-a-half-freaking-hours The Last Jedi.

    These movies really needed a single person with true vision overseeing everything. Not this "Rian can do whatever he wants" crap.
     
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    Idk, I mean they can do what they want, but completely changing someones character is just ridicilous, why even cast him then, just don't play the character.
     
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    No, and the problem stems from having 2 directors with different visions of the movies making a trilogy without being on the same page. Rian Johnson had an interesting quote where he said that after TFA, he had a blank slate to take TLJ wherever he wanted as NOTHING was written to fill in the blanks for the mystery boxes. So it was all a big head fake by Disney and I'm probably more mad at them then RJ for TLJ. Whatever you want to say about the OT and PT, Lucas was always the CEO of every plot point so the movies had one vision, and Disney should have done the same with the ST.

    If they had let JJ or RJ make the whole trilogy, then I think there would have been alot more cohesion between TFA and TLJ, and I think the fanbase wouldn't be split. Right now I have lost faith because we are going back to JJ who will probably try to cover some bases on his mystery boxes despite the fact that all of the air was let out of them in Episode 8 when they were either ignored or addressed in a way that RJ didn't not agree with in TFA.
     
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    I’m not a heater of the new trilogy but the 3rd film is at a serious crossroads. There almost needs to be 2 more films. Why do these things need to be done in 3s anyways?

    Here is what I would like to see:

    1. Focus on Kylo Ren
    2. Time jump
    3. Kylo as full sith. Make him scary as hell from the outset & searching for something. Either in the sith temple or scavenging something Luke had at the island.
    4. Kights of Ren kill Leia,
    5. Finn, Poe and Rey come together because of Leia’s Death. Poe is the most devistated. They all part ways. Rey returns to island to complete her training with Luke. Finn continues work to build resistance & Poe goes off never revealing his message.
    6 Reveal Poe is a Skywalker, Luke’s son. Now on a mission to hunt down the KOR. abandons his post as Resistance leader.
    8. Poe almost killed in battle with KOR. Powers begin to reveal themselves.
    9. Kylo finds what he’s looking for
    10. Include Mandalore - because this trilogy needs something else to ruin.
    11. Now that Luke is around Rey without blocking the force he realizes who she is and reveals that Kylo & Rey are brother and sister. It was thought that Kylo killed her when she was a child. Reason Kylo was sent to Luke to save.
    12. Rey confronts Kylo, Kylo turns Rey
    13. Poe & Finn turn Rey back. They kill Kylo. Rose is killed, Hux is killed.
    14 Poe & Rey open new Jedi temple, Finn leader of universe.
     
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    I don't dislike the whole new trilogy, just TLJ. I enjoyed TFA a lot. That being said, JJA is really going to have to pull out all the stops to give this trilogy a proper and satisfying ending after the mess of TLJ. I have no great ideas or even a clue where they might go next. TLJ pretty much left me deflated and almost dreading the next chapter, sadly. I will hold out hope that JJ can do something great with Ep. IX, but I have to admit that I'm pessimistic at this point!
     
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    This is probably the right take. It just sucks to be part of the group that has loved SW for so long but still got discarded with this movie.
     
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    Some of this would be okay, but Poe won't ever be a Skywalker. I believe his parents were covered in past books or comics that are official cannon. I like him as the hotshot pilot and wouldn't want jedi Poe.
     
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    You had me until #6.....
     
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    I'll play, this is actually fun. I put TFA at 8 or 9/10, depending on how I'm feeling and TLJ at 7 or 8/10. I didn't hate it actually, though much of the points on the first page about plot threads abandoned or badly answered, and Luke's character choices are on point.

    Here's some things that can be done in EP 9 to wrap up the ST in a more satisfying manner (Think of how ROTS salvaged the PT)

    • Agree with the time jump. 2-3 years later. Leia dies off screen. Sorry guys, but this is the easiest way. She already looked weaker on Crait, we can say that her exposure to the space vacuum and time wore her down or something. That knowing her time was drawing to a close she continued to train Poe as a leader in the Rebellion. (Set up at the end of TLJ anyway)
    • Poe/Finn/Rose lead Rebellion, with planets on the outer rim. Mon Calamari is featured, building ships for the final battle.
    • Rebels also acquire old shut down Droid army units or activate old clone stations. Whichever. (I'll point this out in the summary)
    • Kylo leads the FO with an iron fist. The Knights of Ren are obviously back and his guard. Hux gets punked around, per usual. They are in ESB mode, tracking the rebels from base to base, now that the Hyperspace tracer is destroyed.
    • Kylo spends time on Mustafar, at Vader's castle. The Force Ghost of Anakin actually comes back and speaks to him. It's revealed that he has been the whole time. He did not want the death and destruction, but he did want order and rule. Always believed in it, back to AOTC. He guides Kylo.
    • Rey is back on Jakku, learning from the books and from the ghosts of Yoda/Luke. Obi-wan appears and tells her to go to Tattooine. There, it's revealed in his hut that she's a Kenobi. Somehow, lol. (sets up something fun for Ewan's movie also)
    • Rey has retrieved the green crystal from Luke's saber and has the broken one from Anakin's. She makes her staff into a double-bladed green/blue saber.
    • Final battle is all rebel ships/all remaining FO ships and Rey with a few force-sensitives vs Kylo and the KOR.
    • Rey appears victorious at first, but then the Ghost of Anakin intervenes. And the ghosts of Luke/Yoda/Obi do on the light side.
    • After the biggest and best lightsaber/Force battle in the saga, there is a massive Force mergence or whatever, and they are all at a stale mate. Ghost of Leia appears, and turns Anakin ghost toward the good side. Brings Padme with her, which stops Anakin. HE redeems Kylo, for a change. Han is there also. Kylo takes his own life, but in a peaceful, sacrificial way. He immediately is seen as a happy Ben ghost. The Solo family are ghosts at rest.
    • It's revealed that all people can join with the Force after death, if they believe in it. (yes, this is slightly religious but has very strong OT echoes)
    • This is basically the New Testament now where in the Old Testament only Jedi joined with the Force. But now it's open to all who believe. Rey is the new prophet of sorts, leading all people into understanding the Force. She establishes Force schools and teaches the galaxy how to find the good in themselves and use it. Force ghosts don't stick around anymore, they are in a new place. (aka, whatever is equal to "heaven" in SW)
    • Rey and Poe are a thing. "I'm Rey." "I know." (a little obvious with the ESB call back there huh fellas?)

    And thus ends the ST. The OT characters get removed, the new lore is established, the Force Ghosts are handled, the OT is honored and the PT gets some love. Seeing old planets/armies again, mixed with new, helps complete the circle.

    Seeing as how JJ said after his hire that it was going to tie all 9 movies together, and honor the old ones and complete the whole saga, something like this would be good.

    (Bonus - the original plan for ROTJ was the Yoda/Obi ghosts would manifest physically against Vader/Emporer...this is a neat way to honor GL and the OT. The ghosts with Rey vs Kylo and KOR would be epic.)
     
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    Damn, sounds like you're going to hate the trilogy then mate, because two of those three ultimatums would make me hate the trilogy.

    Rey's strength is explained by Snoke, "Dark rises, and Light to meet it. I told my apprentice that as his power grew, his equal in the Force would arise. Skywalker, I presumed, wrongly."

    Snoke is dead. Long live Supreme Leader Ren!

    The rest of the ideas being thrown around in here really are some of the worst fan fiction I've ever read.
     
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