For those who have seen the movie, do you like it or hate it?

No idea where to place TLJ yet. It will take time, more viewings. The movie is very diferent, a lot of twists, scenes that I couldnt never imagined. Just for that I can say that I liked.

 

I have only seen it once, so my impression is a little too fresh, but i think it KICKS ASS. It felt like a Star Wars film to me, even with all the surprises and new twists. There are flaws to it, like most other movies, but I can't remember the last time i left a movie theater this happy. I love TFA, and like Rogue One, but i think this is on my personal top 3.
*Edit. I would also like to point out that it really feels like a Rian Johnson movie too!

 

So.. I've just seen the movie.
My honest review is that the movie is far far far away from being a masterpiece.
At most is an entertaining movie.

And since I'm afraid I'm going to tell some very unplesant things, I'll start saying that I do
understand why LF chose Jhonson for another trilogy.
Because clearly the guy has vision and the potential to do his own things.
And that's what he has to do, IMO. Something else. Something that is his vision start to finish.

That it's not because I didn't like what he had done in terms of lore, in terms of characters arcs, etc...
I may accept that things are not going the way I've guessed or I'm used to.
But watching the second chapter of a trilogy, I need to feel that what I'm seeing is part of a larger story,
that it serves at least the overall story of ST, not to mention the rest of the Saga.

TLJ is not that, not because it "looks" unfamiliar, but because it's complitelly out of place.
It's not because of the answers to some mysteries or questions, or because of the fate of some characters per se, but because TLJ is - IMO - RJ's short and compressed version of how all the ST should have been, or at least the first two movies of it.

His idea - whatever it is - was repressed, the movie is not a good one.
It cannot be, with these premises even if you like his view and his style.

But above all, in the context of the ST and of the Saga this felt its own thing with some characters I already knew and given some starting points that RJ couldn't just avoid.

I find hard to rank it, but there were moments when I honestly thought... The Phantom Manance was better, at least it made sense in this story.
I take it s a standalone movie. And as a standalone move I prefer by far R1.

One may have liked better a ST made only by RJ. I guess some would.
I'm happy that's not the case.
I've never been so grateful that's not the case.
Give me 100 JJ Abrams instead.

In this sense, regardless my atual idea on the movie, that's mainly a matter of taste.
I recognizes that. But if I have to think about TLJ as the second act of the same tale,
it's a waste of time.

That said, I also admit, that is a matter of the taste the fact that... RJ's visual choices are
not my cup of tea.

Yes there are a few beautiful shoots.
Some hum... again, not my cup of tea.
Some... I don't know how to say it better: I felt ashemed for them.

Leia floating in space looking like the Statue of Liberty or a Statue of the Virgin Mary?
Seriusly?
Putting aside the "lore" aspects... let's not talk of that.
It wasn't moving, it wasn't surprising. It was stupid. Silly.
Embarrassing.

With all the due respect to Carrie Fisher, I've heard people laughing. I know that there are already people making memes and jokes with that scene, at least here.
I'm courious to know what you think, what is happening or will happen in other countries, because...
I don't know what to think.
If the reviews I've read are worth something, I can only think that here we do have another taste, period.

Same with the Ben Solo/Luke in the flashback scenes.
A b-horror movie.
Last but not least, the Kylo/Rey forceskype scene.
Again, let's put aside the lore, reylo, whatever...
I'm really putting aside Reylo, (also because, believe me or not, I'm not sure that's the
endgame. Sure there are chance it is. But... we will talk about it, I suppose)
I'm just talking about the execution. Whatever that bond was/is, Snoke's plotting, romance, temptation, whatever... whatever it was meant to be, do it well, if you really have, want to.
Not just like a bad fanfiction would have done.

I was stunned not because of the plot line itself - and you may know how vocal I was
against Reylo - but because it was so Emo I was about to laugh.

Ironically, Canto Bait was something I liked. Ironically, because that is what the critics liked less.
Not because it was particularly meaningful - I agree with the critics here, it's not.
But it's fun and beautifuly shoot.

The throne room scene was again embarassing in terms of storytelling.
How they ended up there and how it went in the end. I wasn't even surprised.

I mean.. sure yeasterday I wouldn't bet on it. OK.
But come on: at some point, it was so dam obvious.
There weren't other possible playoffs beside Snoke's death if you are going to make ep. IX.
But again, it's not that I said "Whow".

The Crait battle... good. But, nothing more. Beside Finn's scene, but I'll come to that later.
Also because, it's not a battle.

This movie doesn't have battles in fact. It has a couple of assaults.
Not that is a problem, to me. It's just a matter of fact.

The best from Ahch to, comes in the end.

I won't go on speaking about the characters arcs, rey and kylo... there
will be other places and moments.

I'll just say, the movie has a very strong anti-rhetorical touch (apparently).
Which is something I can absolutelly like.
I usually do like at lot this kind of touch indeed.
The note above about the lack of proper space battles or ground battles add points to this.
Snoke's death it's one of that moment too. A badly done one.
Whereas I absolutelly loved the Joda/Luke scene.
Especially the burning of the tree.
That was a gem.

But - weirdly enough - the best in this movie to me came
with those few scens that are meant as the triumph, the apotheosis of the rhetoric.

Finn almost killing himself. Kylo and Luke dueling, Luke's death
(my husband has an interesting theory about it, but let's move on)
and that last scene with the kid. That was beautiful. I cried.

I wasn't impressed with the Luke and Leia meeting.
It moved me because those were Luke and Leia, but I believe t
hat scene too was meant to be anti-rhetorical. However...

One may say that was the trik. That the anti-rhetotical touch helped
in contrast the building up of those rhetorical apotheosis.
I do think that was the purpose.

But the big problem to me, is that I don't think it was ingenious storytelling.
I think it was the absolutely lack of it.

And in fact, those moments didn't felt to me as something that grown on me because
of the movie I saw, but because of everything I knew and loved before.
Regardless TLJ.

And in all truth, the run didn't worth the end.

The porgs? I don't hate them. They're just pointless.

 

This movie is different, but in a good way. But I can't rank it right now. I need to watch it more. But I would say it's a great movie with some flaws.

I laughed, I cried, I was excited, I was shocked. Yes, I liked this movie alot.

 

I need to watch again... but bring back JJ!!

That's was weird, didn't feel right first watch. Kind of cheap. Like battle star galactica or something.

Well I had a good run, 7 good to great films.. and TLJ. Very weird.

 

It was incredible. Never seen anything like it.

 

It was completely atrocious. I can't imagine how many millions they spent bribing critics for this one. I think it might be worse than The Phantom Menace. There's literally an entire hour in the middle of the movie that could have been cut out. The whole Las Vegas planet thing was worthy of the worst of the prequel trilogy. Too many boring battles. Terrible villains. Boring heroes. No Han Solo. Just really awful.

 

I have NEVER ever cringed in a Star Wars movie before TLJ. Parts I didn't like in PT, but never cringed. I did with this film it's a little heart breaking tbh. Man. Ryan Johnson.

Where is JJ or GL.

Not just cringe moments, but cheesy to

I wouldn't even give RJ a slice of toast, let alone a trilogy

 

That's for sure.
But you know... I've never saw the black plague that spreads throughout Europe
and I'm not looking forward to it.

I'm joking

 

To me this looks like a movie that was made by a person who doesn’t under Star Wars. Disappointing from start to finish. I’m really gutted....

 

Hello.


I am totally new to posting in this forum but a regular reader since TFA.


Anyway back on topic.


I’m still gathering my thoughts. I went to the cinema with an open mind and low expectations. The film has completely destroyed my ‘head canon’ in a big way.


I thought it was damn ballsy of RJ to do some sh*t in the film. Hat off. Different and weird as fu*k. Some scenes should be fresh out more.


Rey Nobody was always expected. I care little about Snoke - it was like Darth Maul all over again. Cool to have onscreen and is just a part of Kylo’s character arc but I’m sure we will get to know him more in other media.

Phasma was massive under used. Rather have her hot on Finn’s tail all the way to Canto and then to the Supremacy. Dump DJ. Just buy/bribe codes off from the flithy rich heartless bastards lol. Getting the right codes are fun. That’s what BB8 is for.

Oh and the chase? Shoulda jump all over the galaxy, staying one step ahead and picking off each other one by one - like Battlestar Galactica.


Now, I am Deaf so I have a rather unique perspective of the film. Last night was not captioned. So hopeful I can go back for the 2nd or 3rd view (one of them captioned) and understand the story better.


Where do I place it? Still too early to say but for now, between the OT (ESB locked in at the top forever) and TFA.


Not a fan of PT and still haven’t watch RotS :/


Still feeling positive about the next episode - the finale

 

Loved it.

Great addition to the saga. Critics on point.

 

Exactly... I honestly feel he doesn't get it and I take zero pleasure in this

 

Was I the only one who almost cried hearing this soundtrack again?

 

I completely agree with this review. I think the same. I just would add that for me the best moment of the movie was by far Yoda's "final lesson" for Luke. It was probably the only moment of the movie that I felt the original spirit of SW come back. But apart from that I do prefer TFA and JJ's work over this. I need to rewatch it obviously but I don't believe that a 2nd and 3rd vision will change radically what I think

 

I don’t even know what exactly it is that I just saw.

And, in a world where Hollywood seems to aim only to profit from prequels, sequels, reboots and remakes, I couldn’t be happier with LFL’s decision to let Rian own this film and take it wherever he wanted.

Though, I do find it hard to disagree with some here: RJ being given a trilogy is to allow him to see a complete vision through, and him having complete control of the ST would probably make people warmer to TLJ, and I welcome JJ’s return, if not just for some common ground, then perhaps just because I feel parts of the community would go insane otherwise.

I can see it now: TFA is clearly a remake of ANH, we want something new and exciting! vs. TLJ is way too new and exciting! This ain’t my Star Wars!

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Not going to lie...I absolutely loved hearing it, but it’s use, as opposed to, say, The Asteroid Field, confused the hell out of me.

I can’t wait to see the film again, simply because there were moments where I was like: WHAT ON EARTH IS THIS MUSIC COMMUNICATING?! WHY THIS, INSTEAD OF THAT?!

I mean, we hear Snoke’s leitmotif throughout the film...but then we get the Emperor’s leitmotif when things start to go a bit crazy towards the end. I was convinced for a fraction of a second that JW was attempting to telegraph that Snoke must be Palpatine, if not related to him in some other way.

 

What the holy Blast wAs that??

 

Well, Just saw a one minute after midnight showing, and I hate to say it, but I didn't really enjoy it.
It had things I liked, but not enough, I can now understand Mark Hamill's comments on the script and the way Rian sees luke. I also thought there was too much humour, which often seemed out of place. The first half of the film felt more like Star Trek to me.

I hope I like it more when I eventually see it again on Blu-ray. I have no desire to see it again till then, which is a bad sign