SPECULATION Force Choke and Lightning

I'm hoping Disney don't put in a bunch of new force abilities, force healing or some crap like that.. That stuff needs to stay in the video games.

I'm not sure about light side wielders using lightning, it's a pretty evil method of attacking someone I think. I liked how Yoda deflected Sheev's lightning back at him though. I'd be up for seeing Luke do something like that.

 

Nah, I have no problem with Luke using it. I mean, being choked for a few seconds is probably less dangerous and evil than being Force pushed into a wall. I dunno. Just because the choke seems like more of a taboo thing to do than say pushing someone, I still think both are equally as dangerous when it comes to light/dark. NOW…lightning…probably ought to be reserved for evil doers. Its just something special they get, I think. However, I do like that powerful Jedi masters seem to be able to hold their own against it. It balances pretty well.

 

Agreed, they need to have some clear advantages, it's always been in the canon that dark side users were capable of more power in combat. Jedi should always be the underdogs.

 

i don't think lightning will ever be used by good guys as using it is to directly attack someone via the Force, which is not the Jedi way. choking someone out, on the other hand, could be seen as a non-lethal way to subdue foes. obviously Vader took this trick to the next level, but Luke probably only made those Gamorreans pass out, right?

 

Yeah, I think a cool twist with TFA is if Luke IS actually the most powerful being anyone knows of. For that reason, the Sith being an underdog momentarily is pretty odd, but yet cool and intriguing.
Let’s give a “for instance”
Let’s say Luke battles Kylo Ren and just flat out demolishes him. Force pushes, lightsaber dominance, a choke maybe. Deflects some lightning. Just flat out wins the battle. Then we have to sit back and go “Oh man, this guy is nothing to worry about”…that way…AFTER that fight…when Kylo is angered with himself, in fear for what he has done, possibly maimed a little…we see his emotions turn him more powerful, his sheer anger bringing about a power in him that’s incredible.
People have said what’s above before, I know that, but I think that may be the only time we ever see a Jedi/Sith battle and think…”Oh, that’s no problem for Luke”…it reminds me of when Asajj Ventriss came to face Yoda during the first episode of Clone Wars…she was no match whatsoever for him. It was sad. In fact, he gave her both her lightsabers back, and she bounced. It wasn’t even a fight.

 

To me it always felt like a Bad Guy move to use Force choke... and I've never played all those video games so I wouldn't be corrupted by those. I had no problem with Luke using it though because in RotJ he seems to be on his path to becoming a Jedi, but at times doesn't follow proper protocol and even courts the Dark side to an extent (like when he kicks Vader's rear in the throne room).

I'd call it low-level Dark side power, or even a darker shade of gray if we ever really start using a school of thought other than Light or Dark. Not enough to drag you in really, but enough to influence you if you overuse it perhaps. A habit of Force choking a few seconds here, a few seconds there can end up leading to choking for longer, possibly lethal times. It's what they showed well with Anakin in TCW, as he had those moments later in the series where you could see him start to relish it.

Lightning though, definitely Bad Guy list.

 

If it were a blood choke, then yes. Vader and Luke were using wind chokes, which are far more dangerous, painful, and potentially damaging. Did those Gamorreans get knocked out (I can't remember)? If so, that's not good.
Although, we did see Ahsoka quickly force choke someone. So it is practiced.

 

I think use of force powers is all about intent. For example, actually performing a force choke is probably very similar to the actions one would do to manipulate an object from a distance, only in this case you are manipulating another being's throat rather than something inanimate. Thus, the act of imposing one's own will onto another being through the force is what constitutes something as a dark side ability. Its very aggressive and invasive; characteristics commonly associated with the dark side.

 

Good pic, this reminds of the scene in TAOTC were he blocked & absorbed Dooku's lightning attack.

 

In the Kotor games their were some great force powers, but most of them should stay away from the ST.
But I really liked the force power "fear", did not Ben Kenobi uses it to scare the sandpeople away from Luke and his speeder?

 

He did a krayt dragon call, and that freaked the Sand People out.

 

didn't yoda force choke Palpatine's guards in Episode 3

edit found out i was wrong

 

Thanks for your kind and fast reply, I know that Ben did the Krayt Dragon scream.
I wanted to know: "is this not some kind of a force power to arouse fear in others"?
I would like to see that kind of power used in the ST, it's not a over the top unrealistic ability.
To put fear in somebody could be fresh to see that on the screen, no special effects needed just acting.
Sometimes less is more, I don't need flashy things and explosions all the time on the screen.
I would like to see simple but effective force tricks in the ST.

 

In the non Canon book "Kenobi" he learned that the moisture farmers would make that sound to scare Sand People away from their farms. So it's not really a Force power be had.

 

Interesting didn't know that.
I always tought it was some kind of a Jedi trick.
Would be cool if a character is pulling something off like that in the upcoming movies.
Don't know why but I like the simple tricks.

Was it not a force push? knock out style I don't know it either.

 

I always figured the krayt dragon call wasn't force related. Sand People being easily startled and what not.

 

You know what would be awesome? They should have it that when Kylo Ren is writhing in pain on the ground from his injuries after being beaten by Luke, in one last bitter, vengeful effort to win, he unleashes a torrent of lightning at Luke just as Luke is beginning to walk away. Rey, observing the fight from the sidelines with Finn, would scream out in terror, believing that she's watching her uncle getting murdered right in front of her. She would attempt to intervene, but Finn would restrain her, knowing there was nothing they could do. Kylo Ren would continue to pump more and more lightning into Luke, so much so that Luke's body would begin to smoke to an extent where you could no longer clearly see him. At this point Rey would just be crying hysterically. Finally, Kylo Ren would stop out of sheer exhaustion; he had attempted to kill Luke with every last ounce of strength he had. But when the thick cloud of smoke clears, you'd see Luke phlegmatically standing there as if nothing happened him. Rey, Finn, and Kylo Ren would all be completely flabbergasted as Luke, seemingly oblivious to how incredible he is, calmly continues on his way.

This scene would at first appear to rhyme with Luke watching Obi-Wan be murdered by Darth Vader but then would fake you out at the end! Plus, it would make clear to the audience how much more powerful "TFA Luke" is than "ROTJ Luke."

And I've said this before, but I also hope we get to see Luke take on all the lightsaber-wielding chrome stormtroopers at the same time. They're supposedly Kylo Ren's underlings, so it might happen.