Force Ghosts in VIII

Would be awesome if Anakin communes with Kylo but to show him what would happen if he went to darkside and we see Anakin as Vader and we get to see some more of him unleashing carnage. Kylo instead of looking to view this as a warning of what he could become he trys to use it to motivate him to to full turn to the darkside.

 

I'm pretty sure it's a set thing that only light-side users can become Force ghosts, and there won't be any kind of fluctuation. Apparently, Darth Revan was removed from The Clone Wars precisely because Lucas didn't want Dark Siders returning from death (at least, according to YouTube user The Stupendous Wave).

I'm sure Anakin must communicate with Luke. He appeared at the end of Return of the Jedi, and besides, this would be a way for Luke to get to know his father, since he never knew him as his true self. I'm also sure Anakin will figure into the sequel trilogy in some way, whether his Force ghost appears onscreen or not.

 

I dont think they will show Anakin as a force ghost, since we have two of them, that probably will.divide the.opinions and the fans. I would hate if they show Hayden again, for example, for me the only forceghost that counts is Sebastian Shaw. I would prefer a Yoda puppet from TESB force.ghost to appears to Luke.

 

My money is on Yoda or Obi-Wan

 

that concept was done for fun by a designer and was never intended for anything...but force ghosts can't change like that because they become the physical embodiment of what they were before they "died" and became evil with the dark side/when they die a jedi
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Not really. Canon is what counts at the end of the day, and Anakin was in his forties, not his sixties when he died. The only ghost that counts is Hayden's whether people like it or not. I cannot see Lucasfilm going through the hassle of casting an older Anakin for the purposes of a ghostly appearance, when the original actor is close enough in regards to age.

 

Very good point. I know Hayden many feel like Hayden mailed in his performance, but the guy can actually act. He was great in Shattered Glass. I feel like it could be some kind of redemption for him. I sincerely doubt he will appear, but I think if we see Anakin, it will be Hayden.

Still, I think a Frank Oz voiced Yoda or a grayed Ewan McGregor Obi-Wan are the best bets, especially since both of those voices showed up in TFA. I personally would take an Obi-Wan appearance over Anakin or Yoda anyway, because Obi-Wan rules!

 

I think Yoda is guaranteed, but I'm not too sure on Obi-Wan. Wouldn't he have to look like Alec Guinness?

 

Who knows? Both portrayals of Obi-Wan are canon, so I think most fans would be pretty accepting of a McGregor Obi-Wan, with some make-up to add age. Maybe Rogue One's Tarkin was a test run and they are really going to pull out the big guns and have McGregor provide the voice and do Sir Alec Guiness over another actor's body (maybe even McGregor's). I doubt they would do that, but it's totally possible, as we know from Rogue One.

I agree with you that Yoda is pretty much guaranteed. I say Obi-Wan is 50/50. Anakin, 10%.

 

I think Yoda is a given. I think Anakin was a given back in the Lucas days. McGregor or CGI Alec is a strong possibility (Ben ghost appeared to Luke as Luke knew him, if Obi-Wan ghost appears to someone else it could be however he chooses? maybe?)

 

I maintain that I don't think Force ghosts should hang around forever. I think there is the possibility of a Jedi's energy still communicating with the living somehow but not directly as we see with the ghosts. I feel that would cheapen the story somewhat and diminish Anakin's death. If Luke can call upon his father all the time then there wasn't this great sacrifice. My view is that they can only retain their identity for a short period before they join the netherworld of the Force.

Having said that I think there is a chance that they might be going in a different direction and I do wonder if they will tie it in with the HC force ghost now being at the end of RotJ. I wonder if a Jedi's energy exists in all its forms and appears in different ways to different people. We'll see.

However, I don't accept for a second the idea of the dark and light Anakin/Vader ghost. That is nonsense and flies in the face of what Lucas created thematically.

 

If force ghosts did appear in TLJ they'd need to come up with a pretty compelling reason why they didn't appear in TFA surely?

 

They are in TFA. You hear them but you don't see them.

 

Well yes, given the voices, I guess that it true from a certain point of view!

I was thinking more though in terms of Kylo - his grandfather, Obi-Wan and Yoda should all have been appearing and giving him a very strong talking to (!) if they'd been able to.

 

You've just made me wonder something...
In the original ESB script, Luke learned from Yoda how to call back the dead. In that draft, he actually called back his father from the netherworld (this was before Anakin = Vader). I have always felt that the Force ghosts only appeared when needed and only to those that needed them - and only for a short period. Once their job was done, it was done. However, let's say that Force ghosts can be called back - what if this is why Kylo is so desperate to find Luke, to the point as Hux says that he is willing to go against Snoke's orders?

What I mean to say is what if Ren wants to find Luke so he can find a way to speak to Vader? But of course, Ren has this all wrong. Vader is dead and the Sith cannot live forever. He could only, possibly, speak to Anakin - but he himself cannot do this. And he cannot speak to Anakin or Anakin cannot appear to Ren because he is not looking for that kind of help. Ren is lost in the Dark Side for the time being and thus the Force ghosts cannot communicate with him, or rather he cannot communicate with them because I imagine that it works only for those on the light side - people who are connected to everything rather than separate and cancerous like those on the Dark Side...

@FN-3263827 Thoughts on this?

 

But what do you consider a short period of time? Obi Wan appeared in ESB and ROJ. ESB was 3 years after his death, ROJ 4 yrs plus he speaks to Rey in TFA which is what 40 something yrs?

 

Yeah, a good point. I guess I would say a Force ghost can stick around for as long as they have a purpose. As long as they are required for a certain task. Just not for ever and ever. As for the voice - I'd like more info before I call that. Is this Kenobi speaking now? Is it a memory in the crystal? Is it his residual force energy?

I just feel that if the ghosts can stick around forever and be communicated with whenever (by Luke) that cheapens the ending of ROTJ somewhat.

 

Not sure how much stock people take in the cartoons here, but given their "canon" status it might also be fun to think about the recent nightsisters episode:-

Here, within the Star Wars universe, we were introduced to the concept of ghosts being able to take bodily possession of a subject. Therefore, may it be possible that Snoke himself may once upon a time have been a mere mortal, who has now been possessed by a force ghost?

 

Nightsister spirits are different to force ghosts though, as they can return to a corporeal form. Mother Talzin does this twice: once, albeit briefly on Bardotta, and secondly when she possesses Count Dooku and leeches off him. However, shortly after regaining physicality, General Grievous impales her with two sabers and she dies.

It's more preservation of oneself than immortality.