Force Ghosts in VIII

Yes, and it would be hilarious if Yoda said "Seagulls... mmgh! Stop it now!"

 

At this point they need to just use Yoda or use all three. I really want to see Obi Wan in this next movie I'd say Rey hearing his voice in The Force Awakens could be teasing an appearance from him. I would say there is a 90% chance Yoda appears, but I think they could make use of Obi Wan and Anakin as well.

 

I never want to see Hayden in another SW movie ever.

Having a non-Alec Guinness Obi-Wan force ghost doesn't make any sense after ESB & ROTJ.

I'd love to see Qui-Gon appear as a Force Ghost for the surprise factor, LN reappearing is a good thing, and it makes perfect sense visually.

 

Hayden is canon though..Can't really cut him out if he's got an important role as a force ghost in the script. Plus, the main issue with his acting was the writing.

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I think if they have more than one Force Ghost they should just have all of them in a council like setting. Maybe Luke goes into a crystal cave where the force is strong and their ghosts are all in a circle and giving advice to Luke and Rey.

 

Hayden is canon, but I personally don't ever want to see any of his "acting" ever again. I don't see any need to bring the character back.

And as for a force ghost council, I also never want to see a bunch of jedi standing or sitting in any type of circle talking in another movie. I got way too much of that in the PT

I see what you're going for, but I also remember how FUBAR digital (and TPM puppet) Yoda were, IMO. Just let Yoda, Kenobi, and Anakin go away. if you NEED a force ghost (and with Old Luke, I'm not sure you really do), go with Qui-Gon whose appearance at least makes sense

 

I say bring Hayden back. I want to see Anakin's Force Ghost commune with Luke and Rey.

 

Or even better with BEN!

 

Funny man! I definitely don't want that either. But wouldn't mind Luke sacrificing himself early in the movie to save Rey or someone. Hence becoming the voice in the head of a certain jedi. I know it's been done already, but make Star Wars sense. Marks voice showing up every once in awhile would be fine with me. maybe one scene of FG's in one of the next two movies. I'm not trying to dog my man Mark Hamill,but how well can he get around? It would be a great way to keep him around and not have him there so to speak. Star Wars FG idea was what made ESB cool as heck IMO. But no roasting wieners around a camp fire please.

 

I'm onto you Hayden.

 

I have been desperately counting on a real puppet Yoda force ghost for so long, and there have been rumblings that we will get that in TLJ. I sooooooo hope so. Would be a true shame if the last Yoda we ever saw was purely digital.

 

I like this idea. I think it would be interesting to see for instance that during Ben Solo's training, perhaps Luke was able to gain the help of a Force ghost to instruct students on how to communicate with Jedi from the past. After all, the Jedi are obviously rare in number in Ep. VII-VIII. Why not tap into this kind of assistance as a resource for Jedi in training, if it's available?

Then, let's say that Qui-Gon returns as a Force ghost to help Luke train Jedi at Ahch-to. According to Yoda, Qui-Gon returned on his own from the Netherworld of the Force. This makes him a pretty good candidate to help Luke also teach this skill. Then he might also train Ben Solo in this manner. And what happens if Ben uses his newfound skills and one day innocently reaches out to Grandpa, only to find Anakin already back to his old ways, and things start to go quietly, horribly wrong...

I realize that Lucas did not want Dark Side Force ghosts, but like others have mentioned, I'm also curious about the "Show me again..." line from Kylo in VII, if it's to be given any weight.

Also, I agree it could be amazing for Hayden to reprise his role as Anakin. I also know he can act, so imagine the turnaround in his performance that could happen with him working under Rian Johnson. The potential seems huge there.

 

TPM puppet Yoda was pretty awful too. It worked as a puppet, but looked and behaved a lot more like a muppet than Yoda.

What Oz did in 1980 and 1983 was special, partly because of the limitations and the flaws in the performance that enhanced its impact.

Let's let Yoda rest, forever sleep, at least in live action movies

 

Yes, but that was the most conceptually flawed version of Yoda they could have possibly done. Resurrecting the original would work, especially as a force ghost in my opinion.

 

Yoda in 1980 and 1983 was done with a very cumbersome setup and Oz being in charge and doing the primary puppetry. They aren't going to repeat that setup and Oz has said for sure he's done with any work of that type.

If they were able to recreate the ancient original puppet, it still would be different, and if they digitized him as a force ghost, there's not really a point in doing a puppet. They'd probably just do a sculpture and digitize it, which is basically what they did in ATOC & ROTS. If Yoda FG just stands there and talks, you could like, green screen the puppet, and then do the FG effect (I guess that's what they did for the quick shot in ROTJ---even though he was silent). You can't mocap Oz's face because Yoda wasn't ever based off his facial expressions, just his hands. I think Oz has said he would only ever do the voice again (like even if you made a smaller hand puppet for Yoda to him Muppet style and then digitize into FG, which he could physically do the performance, that's pretty close to TPM Yoda).

You could take outtakes from ESB (there's a lot that....who knows what condition that film is in though), pull puppet Yoda digitally from those, force ghost that version and just use new dialogue over existing puppet performance. Bad Lip reading shows how radically different the dialogue can be for that character, you don't realize in the real movie how weird his mouth movement is, but that could work best. I'm not kidding. I'm sure you could remove Yoda from his hut in ESB and just use the puppet, and the force ghost effect would camouflage any issues with the border of the puppet being placed in a new film, and that fixes any lighting issues too.

I just don't trust them recreating live action Yoda after three chances and three failures. If you'd never seen Yoda in ESB or ROTJ, I think he works as a character in the PT (did they go back and remove the puppet in later versions of the TPM? I refuse to buy the Bluray PT or OT until the theatrical versions of the OT are released...I know that's a long shot...but I digress).

The difference between OT and PT Yoda are just too significant and I don't think they will be willing or (or more likely) able to do what's necessary to make a FG Yoda work in live action again, especially since it would need to speak.

And again, I don't see a strong need narratively for a FG Yoda to be in TLJ. I think Luke can provide any exposition required. I'm fine with a voice cameo of some sort. That would be a nice callback and could provide the presence of the character without marring it with a jarring visual.

I think they should look at the ending of Godfather II and how much you feel the presence of Don Vito Corleone without seeing him. Sometimes less is more.

 

Casting Sebastian Shaw as Anakin made no sense what so ever. It was only done as a personal favor by Lucas because Shaw was in difficult situations. Shaw was nearly ten years older than Alec but at that point Anakin would be in his 40's. Made no sense to cast an actor older than Alec for a character that was once his student.

 

Lucas made lots of very good actors look terrible in the PT. Hayden was put in a bad situation: bad script, director who isn't great with actors (I don't mean personally), annoying character, and doing it all with next to no experience.

I think Hayden isn't a good actor, but if the PT had been written and directed by people (and not necessarily the same person) like Ben Affleck, James Cameron, Bryan Singer, Cameron Crowe, Scorsese, Spielberg, Phil Alden Robinson (personally I think he would have been amazing doing either of the first two PT films), Lawrence Kasdan (Silverado is what JJ was going for with TFA, I suspect) who actors love working with and gets the best from actors (old and young) Hayden would have given an infinitely better performance. That said, I don't think he's a very good actor at all. I've not enjoyed any of his other work.

Disclaimer: I'm only using those other directors in a hypothetically about producing a better performance by Hayden. not trying to get into a total "What if?" about the PT.

Back on topic: I don't know if Ben would listen to FG Anakin because he considers Vader his grandfather. He just killed his own father and fixates on the Vader persona. I think he view Anakin as a traitor.

And again, I hate that GL changed the FG of Anakin in ROTJ, as it doesn't make visual sense as we just saw old Anakin.

A 10 year older Hayden who then gets CGI-deaged or is in pancake makeup, then FG-effected...appearing as Anakin....I don't think that would look very good either.

 

@Lobot Here is a pretty recent picture of Hayden. He looks a bit older, but didn't change that much during the last 10 years. Just a bit of makeup and he would like in 2005. However, that doesn't mean he would play Anakin once again. Some time ago I read that he's not interested in playing Anakin anymore and understandably so and if they can't get Hayden back, who is the face of Anakin, if we like it or not, then they shouldn't use him at all.

 

If he's doing a Bieber biopic, and he's going method, and I may have to rethink my opinion of his acting. He definitely looks as punchable as ever.

That picture looks pretty well retouched or he's wearing a ton of makeup. I did a quick Google search and he's definitely aged much more than that photo would have us think.

Yes, they can put lots of makeup on him and he looks pretty much the same (actors tend to keep in shape and do what they can to look as young as possible....), but still, he's going to look (because he'd be in the old guy robes and a FG) and act quite different (Anakin in the PT was a huge jerk 90 % of the time) and it's going to be jarring.

I don't see much upside and I see a lot of potential issues with an Anakin force ghost. Just my opinion.

 

It doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me how Anakin could become a force ghost Obi wan and Yoda "opening the gate" of the Force is a stupid explanation. Wouldn't the light side of the Force not permit Anakin for his binge on the Dark Side? I mean his repentance to Luke and killing Paplatine was only because of Luke's love and compassion in my opinion.I mean he could of killed Palpatine and still have been a Sith anyway (Rule of Two cough cough) George Lucas is brilliant guy who gave us Star Wars and he's awesome for that, but his writing is not without its flaws.