Force-Sensitive Stormtroopers?

It actually makes sense that there are non-Jedi, non-whatever Force sensitives.

Look at Leia. The fact that's she's Force sensitive has been established since ESB. We even see her use the Force to a certain, limited extend.
Still, Leia has never been a Jedi in any way, shape or form.

If we take into account the possibility that there are Jedi who are stronger in the Force, it automatically requires the thought that there are people who are "lesser"

If we have master Jedi, there need to be Force users who are simply too weak to become Jedi.

Force sensitivity is not an on/off switch, it's a gradient.

The thought that there are non-Jedi Force users has always been present. Heck, in the EU there are Force sensitive animals if I remember right.

Now, in Star Wars Rebels it is established that the Empire has a close eye on their Stormtrooper recruits to filter out those who seem to be just a little too good to be true and hand them off to "specialized training" with Vader.

Force sensitivity seems to be a normal genetic trait that can spontanously manifest. It makes sense to be on the lookout for it and secure it's usefulness in a timely manner.
If you know have especially talented kids, you train them to be your elite. That is the only thing that makes sense.
HOW each recruit would then employ the Force, for good or for evil has, I think, in as much to do with who they are, as it does with the armor they're wearing.

The Force never changes.
The philosophy behind it may vary, but the Force itself would be untouched by this.
You can be a member of an evil dictatorship, but if you do what you do with compassion and caring in your heart and not mistreat the innocent, you will still serve the Light side.
If you are a Jedi and self-righteously employ the Force to serve your own goals... wait, we had that, didn't we?

But to come back to my earlier post: I think there are Force sensitives who simply don't have it in them to be Jedi. People whose talents are too weak or too specialized to really take up and use the whole school of the Jedi. I am thinking here of people with aboslutely exceptional piloting skills and an otherworldly sense of direction and position and spatial awareness. They maybe can feel the connection, but they cannot employ it.

Someone with a talent for premonition, a sixth sense, who doesn't have the ability to manipulate their surroundings.

I mean, in SWR it is shown that the students at the Jedi academy had to pass tests to be considered Padawans and that not all passed these tests. What happened with the rest?
No Padawan, no Jedi. THere had to have been people with Force talents outside the Jedi order, though likely connected to it.

Saying that all Stormtroopers are Force sensitive is rubbish, but saying that none are is impossible.
It's a matter of statistics. If a certain percentage of the population is born Force sensitive, than you will find one of them within a group, if the group is only large enough.
They will fo course be siphoned off and placed in Elite Squads pretty quickly, but they DO exist.

It's the same with football teams: you WILL have gay players on your favorite team. With a statistical frequency somewhere between 1/10 and 1/100 logic dictates that in a team roster of 30 players at least one is gay.

 

I think you guys are misunderstanding the issues he is having here.... it seems to me the problem he is having is fear that ALL stormtroopers are force sensitive, and that somehow force sensitives are being mass produced.

The idea that there is any Stormtroopers that are force sensitive is not weird, but the idea that there are ones being trained in their force sensitivity... thats a little more off putting.

The whole Rumor that startedhere came from people desperate to explain "how can finn hold a lightsaber" under the childlike understanding of how lightsabers work, seemingly under the impression that if any non-force-sensitive held one that it would slip out fo theirh and or they would explode or something.

 

What about this
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cuis_clone

 

Kind of like light sabers in the PT. A light sabre was a special thing in the OT, only three characters used them. Much like the force, if everyone is able to use the force it becomes just a mediocre thing, nothing special about it.

 

I disagree heavily with the assertion that ten thousand people out of countless trillions that inhabit the galaxy constitutes dilution of the uniqueness of lightsabers and usage of the force.

 

So you're ok with every Storm trooper using the Force? that's cool, I'm not a fan myself.

 

It's not possible that every Stormtrooper is a Force user.

Unless the FO have started a very restrictive breeding program that forces Force sensitive women to breed as much as possible with force sensitive men to achieve any number of usable human ressources.

Sadly, since the Empire purges there are not exactly many of those left.
So... I think we can flat out nix that one.

Where does that even come from? The most I have heard was an Elite unit, lead by Phasma, that consisted of people trained in lightsaber combat.

 

Read the thread we are currently in. It's self explanatory I think

 

is starwars only about the Force for you?
it is a unique identifier, but not the sole source of involvement. QGJ explained the force as everywhere in all living things working symbiotically. the Jedi where just those that had a natural feel for it and could control it, manipulate it.
so say this group "the first order" out on the reaches of space train to be a part of it......seems familiar like what the jedi were doing.
this is the birth of a new group trying to wield the unruly away from prying eyes until they are to make themselves known...and awaken the galaxy.

 

I just think if thousands of people are using the force in this new movie it kind of takes away from it IMO. Seeing a character use the force in Star Wars is something special, if it's over-used it loses it's cool factor I think. It depends on how it's used; I am currently against the idea, but maybe the new movie will change my mind?

 

My speculation:
When the Jedi were hunted down, it pretty much ended a level or organization with respect to discovery, recruitment and training. The last members of organized force usage were two hermits (Yoda, Obi Wan) and the Sith (Vader, Emperor). Given the rule of two, they also pretty much settled down until ROTJ. Over the next 6 or so decades people may or may not notice a they are a bit different and even what that difference represents. Since there are no longer role models (Jedi are legends) to look to, force sensitives crop up as they would have 1000 generations ago, just without direction, or nurturing (in the force). Talent is wasted as they pursue 'normal' lives as mechanics, pilots, computer technicians, fighters, smugglers, stormtroopers, naval officers, etc..

Luke from ESB and ROTJ represented the beginning of the new type of Jedi (unconventionally trained), but still he's the last in a vast galaxy. Even his exploits responsible for the fall of the Emperor seem legendary perhaps even embellished to average people.

 

well, since QuiGon Jinn said children are identified as kids then you would have to think this. Since there is no Jedi and children not being identified at an early age, then you would have to think that there are ones being drafted into the First Order that are Force Sensitive. However, they may not know they are until something happens such as like Finn. The Jedi seem to be a myth so no one probably understands anymore.

 

I think OP is mixing the rumor that Stormtroopers would be trained with lightsabers with the idea of Force Users, yes in the Movies that were made so far every person that wield a lightsaber in battle, were force users, maybe this movie will break this notion, can we be sure? not until the movie come out.

Ralph McQuarrie's early concepts from Stormtoopers seemed to suggest that, and the rumor is that JJ is drinking heavily on the McQarrie fount.

 

That isnt even remotely what I said, i in fact feel opposite of what you said.

except Grievous, and Han Solo, and counting Canon that one lady from the episode of TCW "Lightsaber Lost", and Pre Vizla.

people without a connection to the force, can in fact... pick up a lightsaber without exploding

 

I don't like the idea of troopers with lightsabers.

Absolutely not.

 

You took my comment too literal. Yes, there are thousands of force users in the galaxy and that's cool, but to have a hundred of them all in one place like in the colosseum in AOTC, that's hundreds of light sabers and force users in one spot. I don't want to see that kind of sequence in the new movies. This is what I meant, less is more basically.