1. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice

Full Breakdown of Colin Trevorrows Star Wars: Episode IX Story

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by SWNN Probe, Jan 16, 2020.

  1. iostream

    iostream Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2019
    Posts:
    99
    Likes Received:
    256
    Trophy Points:
    597
    Credits:
    410
    Ratings:
    +376 / 2 / -6
    What we got here is a situation that's analogous to car shopping. First I'm being shown TROS. I look at the paint job and the body style and I dig it. It's entirely acceptable to me. Next I'm being shown this other car. Paint job, I like it. Not really digging the body style but, hey, whatever because I've yet to look at what actually matters in these cars. So let's get real and pop the hoods on these and see what's going on where it counts; what makes a car actually a good or bad car.

    Naturally, I pop the hood on TROS and there's a glow coming up and my eyes widen and my jaw drops. And my cigarette is dangling off my lip, you know like that scene in Ghostbusters

    [​IMG]

    After looking at the masterfully crafted engine of TROS, I'm looking at the other car and thinking there's no way the engine under that hood is going to be better than this one. This engine here is a 10 and you might have another 10 for me under that hood but no way it's better than this one. And given that I like both the paint job and body style of this one, there's really no chance of beating the competition here. But, let's pop the hood and see.

    But wait. What's that? This second car doesn't have an engine? You just got far enough to build the frame and paint it? Well, in that case, all I can say is what I said. Subjectively, I like the paint job, not so much the body style. But that's not even what really matters in evaluating a car.

    Now add to this analogy that there are eight other models of car prior to these two, and we're wanting a car that completes the series as the "grand finale" in the line of cars. The body styles of those cars are matched (yet cleverly augmented) by the first car (TROS), while the second car (this outline) doesn't really match them well. The only thing the second car has in common with the series is the paint job.

    And the most important aspect is that the engine of the finale can be connected to the other eight engines and cause them to not only all run smoothly in a kind of Voltron-engine, but to compliment and enhance the whole in both design and functionality. Well, the first car does that masterfully well. And again, the second car doesn't have an engine at all. So in the end, though I like the paint job, I think it's probably for the best that the second car didn't even get an engine at all.

    So now I take a seat on a nearby bench to finish my smoke and have a drink in the warm, warm sun of the nice summer evening while a cool breeze blows across the lot as the first stars of the night begin twinkling overhead and I'm just, really happy that the winter is as far away as possible. And I watch the numerous people coming onto the lot, dragging with them their students. They're all looking at the two cars and some like the paint job of this and the style of that, some like the style of this and the paint job of that, some both some neither.

    The students take notes and mimic the teachers, pointing at the paint job and repeating words like "curvature technique" scrutinizing the body style "aerodynamic soundness" and such. But most of them (if not all when it comes to critics on the internet) never pop the hoods. They don't know that engines are even a thing that exists, let alone what makes a car actually run. The teachers have taught their students nothing meaningful about the function of a car, and the students are doomed to buy "aerodynamically sound" lemons with great paint jobs but nothing under the hood. And it's kind of fun-kind of tragic to watch; it's entertaining in some black comedy way.

    BUT of all the people evaluating the two cars by surface measure alone, it's the ones that disdain the first and then look at the second car and whip out their checkbooks saying, "SOLD!" that are the ones that I guess cause me to smirk under my hoodie the wryest. Wryest? Is that even a word? If not, it is now.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  2. Veronica

    Veronica Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2020
    Posts:
    139
    Likes Received:
    270
    Trophy Points:
    772
    Credits:
    419
    Ratings:
    +338 / 7 / -5
    I heard a break down of this on YT. No thanks. I find it cliched and derivative. I mean Kylo killed Rey's parents? Where have I seen this plot a 100 times before?

    It comes across as if it's action driven and not story driven, there's no heart to it and I can't find myself caring about any of these characters, who seriously come across as one dimensional. The one thing I did like was the additional locations. I strongly doubt that this could have worked after the event of TLJ. It just doesn't fit.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  3. JCC

    JCC Clone

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2020
    Posts:
    5
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    2
    Credits:
    19
    Ratings:
    +6 / 1 / -0
    I just read this breakdown and tried to envision it on the screen, with the thought that this was an early draft which might be significantly modified and improved over the course of filming, post-production, etc.

    And I don't think it works, for a number of reasons:

    1) The Last Jedi makes it clear that everyone can be redeemed, but "no one is ever really gone". But Kylo Ren sure seems to be, until the end when he's the most powerful bad guy in the galaxy and he's on the verge of ultimate victory, he "feels love" and suddenly changes his mind.

    2) Yet again, all the female characters win the day at the expense of the male characters. Luke Skywalker - ineffective old philosopher. Poe - brainless hotshot who falls prey to Rey's Jedi flirtation skills, Lando - old club owner who failed at life, failed at keeping with his ideals, failed at keeping a promise to his old friend. Kylo - failed Jedi, doesn't even have the strength to make it as a true Sith, but somehow can easily dispatch a "7000 year old Sith Master" who trained Palpatine. Ok.

    3) And of course Rey takes the "Mary Sue" factor to 11. Never mind that Yoda once said that if you start down the dark path, you were done as a Jedi. Rey can apparently skirt both sides of the line and even Yoda admits at the end, "Boy you sure taught us something! What was the Jedi order thinking for that 1000 years before you came along and showed us we had it all wrong!" And then Leia, who seems utterly useless until she "sends her love" to Kylo and changes him back. Wonder why she couldn't have done that earlier, was she too tied up at the office or something? And of course the exchange between her and Luke. Why should she take advice from a dead old white man, anyway? Time to live Rey's truth...or something. UGOGIRL!

    4) All right guys, let's start a riot of homeless people on Coruscant! That'll show that First Order (who controls the ENTIRE galaxy) that they can't push US around. "Oh no" says Hux, "I can guillotine political dissidents and kill millions of people with my giant fleet but I can't deal with this local urban uprising. Time to impale myself with my collector's edition Mace Windu lightsaber!"

    There are some interesting concepts. The stealing of the star destroyer seems like a great opening scene, and I did like the idea of using the beacon from the Jedi Temple to send out the "call to arms" signal, but the signal itself sounds like some sort of advertisement for a new cologne or a luxury SUV.

    The TROS we got is probably the best story, but I do agree it could have been executed better. And I would have loved to see a longer film with more scenes.
     
  4. Too Bob Bit

    Too Bob Bit Force Attuned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2018
    Posts:
    392
    Likes Received:
    6,816
    Trophy Points:
    15,267
    Credits:
    1,849
    Ratings:
    +7,382 / 8 / -0
    Sure, but the point is Yoda was wrong - more story happened after he said that . It's established, before we even had the prequels and the sequel trilogy, in the moment when Vader returns to the light at the end of ROTJ that you can return from the dark side.

    But again that's the message of the prequels - that the Jedi were wrong, about a lot of things. All the things Palpatine says of the Jedi were true - he just manipulated that to his gain. It's their 'failures' that were their undoing - they failed Anakin and, and they got involved in a war they should never have been involved in and in their own way turned to the Dark Side - and suffered and were all but vanquished as a result. They were flawed and failed to adapt and change. The ST confirms that when Luke speaks of them and their hubris in TLJ.

    EDIT: And welcome to the Cantina :)
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  5. JCC

    JCC Clone

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2020
    Posts:
    5
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    2
    Credits:
    19
    Ratings:
    +6 / 1 / -0
    Thanks for the welcome! :) I've been lurking here for a long time.

    And I agree with your response that the prequel-era Jedi were wrong. But I always understood that the lessons were that it was okay for Jedi to have relationships with other human beings, or even have children, and that it was unrealistic and wrongheaded to sequester themselves like some sort of space-age monks looking down on the rest of the galaxy from a secure Jedi Temple. The real error of the Jedi was to lose sight of what Qui-Gon called the "living force" and literally become the enforcers of the Republic rather than more of a "Doctors Without Borders" sort of crew.

    But where I disagree is the idea that a Jedi should be able to give in to anger and skirt both sides of the fence. That doesn't make much sense, almost like someone saying, "well I'm going to go over to the dark side a little bit, but not go all out Sith lord." If that's true, then how come Anakin decides to start slaughtering children and others, immediately after turning. I know Lucas isn't involved with Star Wars anymore but his philosophy (expressed through the movies) was that once you start embracing anger and hate, you were fully down with the dark side and it would almost take a superhuman effort to turn back.

    The idea of being a sort of gray force-user seems like an odd creation of a 21st century screenwriter that doesn't necessarily believe in good or evil, which is fine if we're talking about a historical drama on Earth, but not in a fantasy sci-fi epic with 8 movies that try to describe that line between what's moral and decent, and what's not.
     
  6. Jaxxon

    Jaxxon Jedi Commander

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2017
    Posts:
    830
    Likes Received:
    9,782
    Trophy Points:
    89,117
    Credits:
    7,502
    Ratings:
    +11,082 / 28 / -4
    Can I focus in on a little detail here?

    The film ends on a planet called Modesta. This is where Rey will train the young Jedi.

    George Lucas grew up as a young boy--and had many of the formative experiences that would become Star Wars--in Modesto, California.

    That's a fantastic tribute to the creator.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  7. TheTechnician

    TheTechnician Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2016
    Posts:
    87
    Likes Received:
    105
    Trophy Points:
    842
    Credits:
    471
    Ratings:
    +156 / 8 / -2
    -- Yoda and Obi-Wan didn't have any relation to the new characters either. If they could be woven into the story, there's no reason Anakin couldn't.
    -- They are the same person, Kylo even thinks so, you can't have Ben descending from Vader, and not his grandfather, Anakin Skywalker.
    -- It wouldn't have been weird if they actually, and finally explained why he was the young Anakin...
    -- She hears lots of voices, so removed from context that I don't get why it was even significant - you talk about importance or relation to her, Ayala, Ahsoka, Mace especially made no sense to speak to her (to be clear i'm not knocking they were there, just that if she didn't know who Anakin was, she sure didn't know the others... also they should have been visible, and not just disembodied voices)



    Yoda showing up was awesome, but there's no reason why Obi-Wan and Anakin didn't, too... Having all three plus Qui-Gon showing up along with Luke to train Rey, or since Luke wouldn't, INSTEAD of Luke, would have made for a good story. Would have explained why she was so proficient in the Force as she was at the very least (I mean the greatest Jedi's ever training you - how could you not excel...) Also having Luke, looking to Anakin, Yoda, Obi-Wan etc... to convince Luke that he didn't have to train her as a Jedi per se, but needed to teach her about the Force, and how to use it -- that the most important thing was that the KNOWLEDGE needed to be preserved and passed on, also would have made TLJ suck less.
     
  8. Lock_S_Foils

    Lock_S_Foils Red Leader

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2017
    Posts:
    2,194
    Likes Received:
    56,628
    Trophy Points:
    169,907
    Credits:
    40,318
    Ratings:
    +59,792 / 39 / -39
    I am not sure how I feel about this.....need to process it a bit more....
     
Loading...

Share This Page