1. Due to the increased amount of spam bots on the forum, we are strengthening our defenses. You may experience a CAPTCHA challenge from time to time.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice

Galaxy Map

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Fussel2107, Apr 22, 2016.

  1. Fussel2107

    Fussel2107 Rebel General

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2015
    Posts:
    800
    Likes Received:
    1,343
    Trophy Points:
    4,717
    Credits:
    2,238
    Ratings:
    +1,999 / 20 / -24
    Does anybody, anywhere, have a good screenshot of the map BB-8 shows for the purpose of drawing a better Galaxy map than this simplified joke that is floating around.
    Or does anyone know of an effort to do this? (Even better)

    I am so Maclunkey disappointed in nerddom right now....
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Original Original x 1
  2. andrea.conti.91

    andrea.conti.91 Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    Posts:
    200
    Likes Received:
    312
    Trophy Points:
    1,352
    Credits:
    796
    Ratings:
    +502 / 7 / -3
    May I go a little off topic? Ok, very thanks...

    One of the most redundant critics from the fan about "The Force Awakens" is the extremely simplicistic graphic rendering of the uncomplete map - just an holographic puzzle without a piece. Why the First Order hasn't found Luke's planet, if the location of the system is pretty obvious as a big empty place (and Kylo Ren clearly explains the FO has had the uncomplete map from the old archives of the Empire)?

    So, after the second blu-ray view, I think the answer is clear: when projecting the map, 3PO says the Ahch-To system is totally unknown, so Luke hid himself in a brand new part of the galaxy, not yet discovered.

    This, I think, explains two things:

    1) the FO has probably lost time searching an old galaxy map, maybe the same map Luke consulted before leaving - which was, probably, an old and of course UNIQUE map owned by the Empire;

    2)the map had to be complete (BB-8's piece and R2's global view), because nobody's able to follow an orange line leading to a system totally unknown, even if the system - I repeat - is clearly visibile as an empty place.

    This two points lead, IMO, to another one, very interesting: why the Empire owned a map with an additional, unknown system? Was Palpatine himself searching the first Jedi Temple?

    However, another plot-hole theory has gone, to me. The "galaxy map affaire" is actually clear and explained in the movie.
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Informative Informative x 2
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  3. AstromechRecords

    AstromechRecords Jedi General

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Posts:
    16,794
    Likes Received:
    15,181
    Trophy Points:
    149,777
    Credits:
    20,163
    Ratings:
    +26,536 / 845 / -253
    I can't seem to find it anywhere on google but this is the closest I've come to finding it: image.jpeg
     
  4. Ceruleanlord

    Ceruleanlord Rebel General

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Posts:
    675
    Likes Received:
    858
    Trophy Points:
    4,839
    Credits:
    2,601
    Ratings:
    +1,464 / 7 / -6
    Here are the best shots I could find:
    1.JPG
    2.JPG
    3.JPG
    4.JPG
    6.JPG
    star-wars-new-galaxy-map-160952.jpg
     
    #4 Ceruleanlord, Apr 22, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2016
    • Like Like x 5
  5. zagernevans

    zagernevans Clone Commander

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2016
    Posts:
    136
    Likes Received:
    112
    Trophy Points:
    322
    Credits:
    737
    Ratings:
    +261 / 3 / -5
    i think the map was created at the secret weapons facility on Jakku. It is reasonable to assume that this base, like the others thr emperor had set up in the boondocks, was researching the force and ways to weaponize it. Researching the Jedi is a critical part of that. For some unkown reason (maybe they knew they might someday need a place to hide from rebels and empire) they broke out the section with Asch-to before giving their map to the empire. it was this incomplete map that R2D2 hacked from the deathstar, and the one that the first order got from the empire.
    The battle of Jakku forced them to flee, but they left behind one of their clunky flash drives. It was found in the ruins decades later by someone from church of force and given to LST.
     
    • Original Original x 4
  6. AstromechRecords

    AstromechRecords Jedi General

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Posts:
    16,794
    Likes Received:
    15,181
    Trophy Points:
    149,777
    Credits:
    20,163
    Ratings:
    +26,536 / 845 / -253
    I wouldn't say decades later since Luke's been missing for a better part of (only) a decade .
     
    • Informative Informative x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  7. Empire Jo

    Empire Jo Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Posts:
    482
    Likes Received:
    3,128
    Trophy Points:
    12,592
    Credits:
    3,861
    Ratings:
    +3,789 / 5 / -1
    I like your thoughts, though for some reason I always thought that the Empire only figured out part of the Map. Why would the Empire guys at the Secret Jakku Base withhold information from the Emperor and the Empire? Seems a pretty risky thing to do, especially considering that the Emperor's downfall pretty much came out of left field. I think the reason the Secret Research Base was located at Jakku, and the key to figuring out the final steps to reaching the first Temple are interrelated. In other words, there must have been something early Force related at Jakku worth investigating to situate the Empire Base there to begin with, and I think the final pieces in the Map could have been figured out from this too. The Empire guys probably got defeated before they finished figuring it out, and were more preoccupied with the weaponisation aspects of the project anyway. But then if guys like Luke and LST went nosing around the old Empire base, they could have found out about the Forcey related thing the Empire guys were playing around with, or really they could have found it in an unrelated manner, simmiliarly to how the Empire found it, and been smarter, had more background /contextual knowledge, had more time than the Empire guys, and figured out the last steps to finding the first Temple that way.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Original Original x 1
  8. AstromechRecords

    AstromechRecords Jedi General

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Posts:
    16,794
    Likes Received:
    15,181
    Trophy Points:
    149,777
    Credits:
    20,163
    Ratings:
    +26,536 / 845 / -253
    ...Inalways bought that the canon states Artoo downloaded the map on The a first Death Star.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Informative Informative x 1
  9. zagernevans

    zagernevans Clone Commander

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2016
    Posts:
    136
    Likes Received:
    112
    Trophy Points:
    322
    Credits:
    737
    Ratings:
    +261 / 3 / -5
    I don't think Luke ever had possession of the particular flash drive with the Asch-to map on it. I think he found another way there. LST never said Luke had used that map, only that it would lead to Luke.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Informative Informative x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
  10. Boushhdisguise

    Boushhdisguise Jedi General

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    Posts:
    1,416
    Likes Received:
    22,168
    Trophy Points:
    148,617
    Credits:
    16,911
    Ratings:
    +24,666 / 20 / -3
    I figured it was just a map to Jedi Temples, not necessarily to him, but it was assumed that was where he went? Being the church of the force, they may have had that kind of thing.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. AstromechRecords

    AstromechRecords Jedi General

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Posts:
    16,794
    Likes Received:
    15,181
    Trophy Points:
    149,777
    Credits:
    20,163
    Ratings:
    +26,536 / 845 / -253
    Luke doesn't even need to be aware kf that specif map to be on ach to
     
    • Wise Wise x 1
  12. Empire Jo

    Empire Jo Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Posts:
    482
    Likes Received:
    3,128
    Trophy Points:
    12,592
    Credits:
    3,861
    Ratings:
    +3,789 / 5 / -1
    Yeah, that's the bit of the map the Empire had, the incomplete map. Then there's the rest of it. The final peice, that shows the last steps to Ach-To. The bit that LST gave to Poe. Obviously the Empire didn't have that bit, which was why Kylo Ren was looking for it.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  13. AstromechRecords

    AstromechRecords Jedi General

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Posts:
    16,794
    Likes Received:
    15,181
    Trophy Points:
    149,777
    Credits:
    20,163
    Ratings:
    +26,536 / 845 / -253
    The bigger question is that how was it missing to begin with
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 2
  14. Empire Jo

    Empire Jo Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Posts:
    482
    Likes Received:
    3,128
    Trophy Points:
    12,592
    Credits:
    3,861
    Ratings:
    +3,789 / 5 / -1
    My personal theory is that the map may trace the migration paths or movements from the first Jedi temple (of the Je'dai or whatever) as they colonised different areas of the unkown regions and the galaxy, and over time the heritage and history was lost or forgotten. Maybe deliberately so if the Temples hold dangerous knowledge or artefacts, or bad memories if atrocities occurred there. I reckon as they spread over the galaxy, new Temples and artefacts were built in new places. Then the modern Force users, Sith/Jedi or whoever, spark an interest in the old ways, knowledge, Temples, artefacts, and want to find the First Temple. So they trace it back through the migration routes and newer Temples, which would grow older closer to the first temple. But the Empire doesn't figure out the path all the way back to the first Temple, they only get, say, three quarters of the way there. Before they figure it out all the way, the Rebel Alliance defeats the Empire.

    Then people like Luke and LST come along, and figure out the last pieces of the puzzle and work out the location of the first Temple.

    So, my theory is it's not like it was missing because someone in modern times erased that section of the map, though I guess that is a possibility, but because it needed to be rediscovered as it was lost through history. Make sense?
     
    #14 Empire Jo, Apr 25, 2016
    Last edited: May 22, 2016
    • Like Like x 5
    • Wise Wise x 1
  15. andrea.conti.91

    andrea.conti.91 Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    Posts:
    200
    Likes Received:
    312
    Trophy Points:
    1,352
    Credits:
    796
    Ratings:
    +502 / 7 / -3
    Your thoughts are sweet.

    What you think may also lead to another thing I strongly believe in: in this new trilogy we are going to see a deep reconfiguration of what we already know about the Force and the spread between light and dark side.

    To me, Rey and Kylo are some kind of Adam and Eve: they play two very new ways to understand the Force, as a grey power blending together both sides (Kylo), and as a pure power to use beyond good and evil (Rey). No surprise if they fall in love with each other in Ep.8.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  16. Empire Jo

    Empire Jo Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Posts:
    482
    Likes Received:
    3,128
    Trophy Points:
    12,592
    Credits:
    3,861
    Ratings:
    +3,789 / 5 / -1

    Yeah, I do agree about the restructuring. It kinda has to happen, as the Sith are done and dusted, and we need a new lot of baddies going forward. The Sith will never be resurrected, the Prophecy of the Chosen One has seen to that. The chosen one destroyed them, and it would cheapen Anakin's legacy to ever bring them back.

    I think the next generation of baddies will arise from these guys who view the Force in a way similiar to the Revenites, like that 'grey power' you mention. TPTB do tend to utilize the interesting ideas from the EU, as they should. It does seem like a seductive way to view the Force, but ultimately this blending of light and dark into grey will prove deceptive. The Journal of the Whills at the start of TFA hints at this I think.

    "First comes the day
    Then comes the night.
    After the darkness
    Shines through the light.
    The difference, they say,
    Is only made right
    By the resolving of gray
    Through refined Jedi sight."―Journal of the Whills

    Grey will be ressolved through a deepening of understanding, i.e. 'resolved Jedi sight'.

    So perhaps the Journal of the Whills also hints that the Jedi will ultimately survive this restructuring, though probably will change a bit to reflect the times, or by having a deeper understanding of their roots. Perhaps this also mirrors how our characters may also develop a deeper understanding of themselves through examining their own roots, and family trees.

    So the First Temple, and the paths the Force users followed after moving on from it, as traved by the map, could provide insights into the development of the Jedi.
     
    • Like Like x 4
  17. zagernevans

    zagernevans Clone Commander

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2016
    Posts:
    136
    Likes Received:
    112
    Trophy Points:
    322
    Credits:
    737
    Ratings:
    +261 / 3 / -5
    If the imperial base on Jakku was trying to weaponize the Force in some way, they most likely did methodical research (being possibly the only group of actual scientists in the whole galaxy) on the Force, Jedis, and Siths. They compiled a map of the Jedi Temples (the emperor was probably pushing them for deliverables), but before it was turned over to the empire, the leader of the research group chose to remove the last leg to Asch-to. Maybe he was having misgivings about the empire and didn't want them to gain more power there. Maybe he wanted to keep the location to himself for his own profit, or maybe he thought it would make an unfindable hideaway if they had to make a break from the empire.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Original Original x 1
  18. Addi Ras

    Addi Ras MASTER TEA MAKER
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2015
    Posts:
    4,753
    Likes Received:
    67,565
    Trophy Points:
    171,477
    Credits:
    33,305
    Ratings:
    +71,748 / 13 / -5
    The way I understood it the Jedi had the whole map in there archive before the Empire took over then during the events of order 66 the jedi removed the part of the map that leads to the first jedi temple & hid it. Therefore the Empire never had the whole map so when R2 uploaded the map on the death star he only got what the Empire got. So it kind of by chance that Luke is at the first jedi temple or they may never have found him.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  19. Empire Jo

    Empire Jo Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Posts:
    482
    Likes Received:
    3,128
    Trophy Points:
    12,592
    Credits:
    3,861
    Ratings:
    +3,789 / 5 / -1
    Can you point out the evidence for this supposition, please Ras? I'd like to take a geeze.
     
  20. Addi Ras

    Addi Ras MASTER TEA MAKER
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2015
    Posts:
    4,753
    Likes Received:
    67,565
    Trophy Points:
    171,477
    Credits:
    33,305
    Ratings:
    +71,748 / 13 / -5
    I don't really have evidence just more of a gut feeling as for me the only way the Empire would not have the whole galaxy map would if a section had been removed before they came to power & the fact that the missing bit is directly tied to the first jedi temple. Also the section missing looks like it covers a very large area at least several star systems which goes some way to explaining why some random pilot has not stumbled upon Luke since he went missing.
     
    • Like Like x 1
Loading...

Share This Page