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Game of Thrones, anyone?

Discussion in 'Television' started by Iluvatar, May 19, 2016.

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    I'm not sure how clips 2 and 3 count as "foolish or rash" decisions/reactions on Jon's part, but I guess I should have clarified that I don't believe Jon has been written to act foolishly or rashly on a consistent basis, therefore making his decision to tell Dany about his Targaryen blood out-of-character for him as he has been largely portrayed throughout the course of the series.
     
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    Jon turning on Craster and putting the Watch in jeopardy because he was being "honorable" is foolish.

    Jon running from the Watch because he wants to avenge his family is rash and foolish.

    Why is that out of character? It was clearly bothering him all episode. He knows they may die. He doesn't want to take that secret to the grave
     
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    I think you're really reaching to try and paint either of those reactions/decision as "rash and foolish".

    It's out-of-character based on the fact that Jon's immediate reaction to Sam telling him the secret was to go straight to responses of "I can't believe that the man I saw as honorable to a fault would lie to me for my entire life" and "this is treason"; it is also out-of-character based on the fact that telling her is completely contradictory to everything he had been saying throughout the remainder of the episode and the previous few episodes about needing to be "on the same page" and wholly unified in order to defeat the Army of the Dead.
     
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    And keeping a secret from her with that much weight is going to unify them? Think of it this way: Jon waits until after the battle (if they live) and then tells Dany... at that point, it looks like he only used her for her armies and dragons.

    In Jon's mind (IMHO) he did the only thing he knew how to do: tell the truth, consequences be damned...
     
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    Jon doesn't want the Iron Throne, so telling Dany that he has Targaryen blood and therefore a greater claim to it than she does is not something he needed to do ever.

    It's not only the fact that he told her right before they went into battle that I take umbrage with; it's the fact that he told her about the secret at all.
     
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    How?
    He put himself and others in direct danger both times to do what was "honorable". That's foolish as hell.
    Running from the watch is punishable by death. Not rash or foolish?

    And as @DarthSnow pointed out, it kind of is Jon's thing to risk alliances to remain honorable and honest.
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    You don't actually know he doesn't want it. We assume he doesn't.
    Bran said he NEEDS to know. There's obviously more to it that just he should know who his mom and dad really are.
    Why wouldn't he tell his lover this huge thing that is clearly impacting his ability to proceed normally? He's in la la land in the Jaime trial.
     
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    https://ew.com/tv/2019/04/14/game-of-thrones-kit-harington-reveals-jon-snow-parentage/

    From that article (emphasis mine):
    The character has also said, repeatedly, that he doesn't want to be a ruler and only took the title of "King in the North" because his people would not take "no" for an answer.

    Because it isn't affecting his ability to proceed normally.
     
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    Again, if the people chose him over Dany he'd take it. I said as much.

    He is literally HIDING from Dany. He isn't actively engaged in a trial of the man who helped kill Ned Stark and who was a massive ASS to him and disrespectful of the Watch. Yeah. Totes normal.
     
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    I LOVED episode 2.
     
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    This has gotten stuck in my "craw" and is driving me nuts, so I wanted to address it here since I can't think of anywhere else to do so.

    I listen to several GoT-themed podcasts, and a couple of them have indirectly mentioned the notion that Targaryens are immune to fire, which is both absurd and has been completely debunked by GRRM himself.

    Dany is not immune to fire - in the television series - because of her Targaryen blood. The reasons for her fire immunity have gone unexplained thus far, but are completely unique to her.

    I don't really know why this bothers me as much as it does, but it's just something that I wanted to put out there into the 'ether' in order to get off my chest.
     
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    I think they are getting confused with something she said early on...

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    ...by assuming "dragon" = "Targaryen", and I suppose it's not too much of a stretch in verbiage at least metaphorically but yeah I get what you are saying.

    How do you think this applies going forward? Jon and Dany in their upcoming battle with the Night King's ice dragon?

    Also. Is Dany really just speaking metaphorically, or is she being literal? Can dragons kill each other with fire? I'd assume that they can, but I guess I've never really considered it until this point.
     
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    Honestly I always thought that scene with Danny surviving the fire & the birth of her dragons was a one time special thing well at least in the books as they haven’t got as far as when in the show she burns down the Dothraki camp.

    See this here I alway though she was just repeating something her brother had drummed into her about the Targaryens being special something & if at the moment they had done the same to her she would have meet a similar fate as her brother.
     
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    Tiny nitpick, but Viserion isn't an "ice dragon"; he's an undead dragon that breathes blue fire.

    In sitting and thinking about why this erroneous notion that Targaryens are immune to fire bugs me, I think part of the reason is that so many people seem to think that, should be survive the Battle of Winterfell, he can use this supposed fire immunity to prove his Targaryen heritage and directly challenge Dany, should she survive as well.

    And, yes, dragons can kill other dragons with fire because that's how most of them were wiped out.
     
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    Targaryens are not immune to fire. Jon is not for sure: when he saved Lord Mormont from a white walker his hand's got burned. In universe is pretty obvious that is Dany that is special, not them all. For istance, the so called "tragedy of SummerHall" (the Jenny's song of the last episode is about that), is about a big fire that killed lots of Targaryens.
    However, I believe that something else is going to happen and Lightbringer (the fiery sword of Azhor Ahai/the Prince that was Prosimed) related.
    The show introduced that concept with Stannis and his sword.
    My guess is that there's going to be a pay off with Jon.
    And that will prove he is the prince that was promised.
     
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    It's not really as obvious as you'd think because, as I noted, people do have this notion in their heads that fire immunity is a "Targaryen thing".

    And I know this misconception is fairly prevalent because I've heard it discussed on two pretty mainstream GoT-related podcasts in the last couple of weeks.... and it's been driving me crazy.
     
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    yeah I know... let me rephrase "It should be obvious" in the show too because of Jon's hand.
     
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    I think Jon May be able to control that undead Dragon. Jon is undead and he maybe Dragon.
     
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    About last episode:

    "Arya used the same attack that Rey's in the Last jedi against the praetorian guard.That was cool."

    But, that episode...oh...why so dark? I was very confused during most of the show, the dragons: worst part.
     
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    Little survey for my fellow GoT fans here, inspired by a podcast I listened to yesterday:
    * Favorite Season(s)?
    * Favorite Character(s)?
    * Favorite Moment(s)?
    * Least Favorite Season(s)?
    * Least Favorite Character(s)?
    * Least Favorite Moment(s)?
    * Most Underrated season(s)?
    * Most Underrated character(s)?
    * Most Underrated moment(s)?
     
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    You're right, but I think we'll just have to let it slide as a show vs book thing. They don't have time and frankly probably don't care to explain why. Magic is weird, and Dany thinks its because she's Targaryen, so that's enough.

    Season 6 I think...That's the one with the Battle of the Bastards and Winds of Winter, right?

    Tyrion up until he teamed up with Dany, weirdly enough; he ties with Ned and Jon. I really liked Meera, but that's mostly because I'm a fan of crackpot theories.

    Some moment with Jon for sure.

    A season I didn't watch, so probably Season 1 or 2...

    Euron because he's just terrible. A terrible person in-universe, a terrible villain outside of it. He's there because the plot needs him, but he just doesn't fit the story.

    Red Wedding, Rickon's death, Lyanna's Mormont death (If I ever have six daughters (and get to name them all) the sixth one will be in her name...although it might be easier to just name a dog after her...), Arya's moment in 8.3 - like it was great at the time and it fits Arya's theme but looking back it doesn't feel satisfying for any other character.

    Season 7. People complain about how nonsensical the traveling was (and it indeed was nonsensical) but we got a lot of meetings of characters out of it, and frankly that's what we're here for now.

    Hot Pie, Lyanna Mormont, Meera Reed.

    Tyrion slapping Joffery? Things were simpler back then. Or the dragons watching Jon and Dany getting busy?
     
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