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RUMOR General Star Wars: The Last Jedi News & Rumors Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by MagnarTheGreat, Sep 12, 2015.

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    But they do have to establish just how much Luke has grown in power in the 30 years since RotJ. Having him wipe the floor with the KoR would go a long way to illustrate that, and to demonstrate just why the Resistance needs him to get involved in the war.
     
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    Well it seems that if the Resistance wants his so bad and the FO/Snoke wants to dispose of him, or hope he never returns; then I'd say he is power enough that he has both sides trembling in anticipation of what his next move will be when found.
     
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    It should be Phasma, she failed miserably letting down the Starkliller base defenses leading to its destruction, but then again we like Gwendolyn Christie/Brienne of Tarth want to see her redeem herself and put that chrome armor to use.
     
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    Couldn't disagree more. I don't "hate" GL, but he's actually admitted many times that he created a business Empire that betrayed the principles he held when he was at USC and first created the SW universe.

    I think he is a very good businessman who fell into a trap of thinking he was responsible for more of ANH & ESB than he was, and lost sight of what it was like to be a fan, a normal person, and given the way things happened....I think most of us would have succumbed to the things he did.

    And I'm not some idealist who doesn't understand capitalism. That said, I'm not going to pat someone on the back or applaud someone for making a lot of money, ESPECIALLY someone like KK who is accomplished but who is anything but an artist. She is a broker for ideas. She takes a cut from what the creations of others bring in, and her cut comes from her services. That's totally valid. But she's not a creator, an artist, or anything of substance. She's a packager, a producer, and a money grabber. She's obeying the law, working within the system, and buying those Gucci black pantsuits by the gross.

    She's not a Chaplin, Demille, Brooks, Coppola, or Spielberg. Lots of people could takeover LFL and (as she has) basically do what Marvel, Fox, & others are doing now with IP, but more craven and disingenuously (or as I call it "The Lucas way.)"

    She's not a bad person per se, I just think she's continuing to milk the fans and be very "JJ mystery box" whenever possible and act like she's doing everyone a favor.

    The two showrunners for GOT, Kevin Feige at Marvel, and other powerbrokers are much more honest and less transparently cutesy about what they're doing.

    I've always loved the phrase "don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining."

    KK needs to be told that immediately and repeatedly. Again, it's a reductive expression of how her tenure is defined, but it works.
     
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    Merchandising power saves the day for Captain Phasma. Bear in mind that she was considered more or less an afterthought added to TFA during early filming, and they wanted her to have a lot more to do in the next movie or two, so I can get why she got the shaft pretty badly in the movie.

    Also, I'm with Conrad on this one - although I don't expect Hux to have too large a role in the rest of the Sequel Trilogy (at least nothing comparable to his "Little Nuremberg" moment in The Force Awakens), I don't expect him to be killed off so anticlimactically. He seems more like the type of villain to get killed on the bridge of a Star Destroyer while he watches his strategy fail miserably. And Snoke, if anything, seems to be extremely forgiving and calm for a Star Wars villain, so I can't really see him pulling a Captain Needa on his lackey.
     
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    I agree about Snoke's calming demeanor. He kinda reminds me of Jack Nicholsons character in " A Few Good Men." Calm but in charge, gives instructions that cause harm, but when provoked will give into anger and confrontation and will believe he's right to the bitter end.
     
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    If anything, I'd expect Kylo Ren to be the one to kill Hux in a fit of rage should he die by friendly fire. The two clearly didn't get along all that well, and Hux clearly had a chip on his shoulder (as his behavior suggests that he wanted nothing more than for Snoke-senpai to notice him).

    Also, it seems weird to me that Kylo Ren's helmet would need to be applied carefully onto his head for whatever reason. His mask isn't like Darth Vader's - he doesn't need it to live. I can get why Conrad thinks that the later stuff lines up with everything else, but the opening doesn't quite sound right.
     
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    Well as much as film is entertainment and creativity, it's BUSINESS..."SHOW BUSINESS" and you are right that he's great at it but his creativity holds no bounds if he has someone to bounce ideas off of which I dont think was the case in the last couple years up until the sale of LFL
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    Wait, I thought it was just a rumor that the KOR/Kylo vs Rey/Luke fight isn't at the climax of the film?
     
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    I think it's what MSW heard, though I don't believe it was stated in an article. They might have brought it up on one of their twenty podcasts based on a few comments on this board, but I don't listen to them, so I wouldn't know for sure.

    Conrad was basically saying that all the stuff happens in the first third of the movie (which I'm guessing also counts the stuff simultaneously going on with Finn, Poe, and everyone else), which lines up with their belief that the big KOR fight happens a lot sooner rather than later. If nothing else, the narrative structure for this movie sounds a lot weirder than what we heard about when they were leaking TFA content.
     
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    Interesting. I just remember when the first leak hit there were folks on here hoping that it happens earlier because they didn't want Luke and Rey on Ahch-To the entire movie.
     
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    You remembered correctly, since the comment about when it took place in the movie wasn't mentioned in the article itself, but a podcast on a site that has a boatload of them to look through. If this leak is at least partially accurate, then yeah, this scene will happen a lot earlier on than one would expect.
     
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    I couldn't AGREE more with that statement. His rough cut of ANH was a disaster and the dialogue is pretty awful. ANH is great but was a collaboration way more than he would like to admit.


    KK is definitely continuing his work post-ROTJ. I just don't think she deserves any admiration, only acknowledgement that she's doing her job: making money for Disney.


    Her expensing some donuts or pizzas shouldn't obscure how cynical LFL is with rolling out content.

    Having basically no information about E8 revealed at last years SWC or since, much like the withholding dance played with TFA, rubs me the wrong way. She talks a good game but only targets walllets rather than serving fans.

    She needs to pick one. Either one would be worthy of respect because it'd be honest.

    I just don't want to hear about RO "breathing." KK veers into kellyanne conway territory way too often.
     
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    The thing is this seems more like the Disney marketing machine than with LFL. Working in this industry myself (not directly with studios) as well as knowing marketing, they're walking a very fine line, potentially alienating their core audience. The good news is that it's a Star Wars film so people will watch it regardless, even out of curiosity. Also keep in mind that the people producing these movies are OT hardcore fanboys so that's why we get what we're getting. I only wish that they'd use GL's NEW title as "creative consultant".
     
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    THR did recently an interview with head of Disney's marketing and here is a quote from it: (the full interview is here.)
     
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    Exactly. The Disney brand doesn't understand the market and value of what they freakin own. It's ridiculous to think they'd use Disney to help. Fun fact, light sabers are even banned at Disney parks in California. What great marketing. I really hope they understand over time and figure out how real marketing works, not just for money, but also critically starting wit VIII
     
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    That's interesting because in Orlando they are not. At least as of May 2016 when I was last there.
     
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    It's just that it's a bad photo. :)
     
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