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RUMOR General Star Wars: The Last Jedi News & Rumors Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by MagnarTheGreat, Sep 12, 2015.

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    Most likely for Han Solo, not The Last Jedi.
     
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    TLJ was delayed 6 months for several reasons. Yes, TFA had just done very well in the Christmas slot.

    However, they decided they wanted to do rewrites on it to adjust it after TFA characters were so popular. Also, TFA had a troubled production with everything from Ford's injury to having the burden of JJ spending more time keeping the secret he was doing a remake than actually making an original movie. They thought it would be best to allow for more time. They also were concerned about SW fatigue in releasing 3 movies in 18 months.


    Han Solo would be released almost 4 weeks after Infinity War....that's not cannibalizing. These days big movies only get two to three weekends free from major competition. And if you have real hit, people will go a second time regardless. Every theatre has like 18 screens now.

    Thor 3, Justice League, and TLJ are all coming out within 5 weeks...

    And Avengers 3 & Han Solo are going to be two very different movies.

    Avengers 3 is going to be the most epic action movie ever. It's literally going to be 10 years in the making. More characters and more action than any movie ever.

    Han Solo is an origin story about a guy who helps save a very big & smart dog who then follows him around for life. And then he wins a rickety spaceship in a card game with a guy who often wears a cape before going to do ad hoc work for a giant testicle with a tongue. As
    I love the characters but really, that's not far off.


    And the demographics for Oceans 8 and a Han Solo prequel are very different.

    Incredible 2 is a movie they want Han Solo to avoid, but not as badly as you think. RO was a harder edge film and this is Han in his early days. He and Chewie were running drugs or guns or even people in those years. They were criminals. This could be a Western like "fistful of dollars" which is dark. It'll be Disney, but the anthology films may be a way for them to do more adult stories.


    "Minefield of their own making" is also a bit of an exaggeration.

    MI:6, Transformers, and JW2 are all Universal or Paramount

    Oceans 8 and the (likely to be delayed) The Batman are WB films as are any DC films that actually get made....

    That Untitled Xmen movie is either New Mutants or the next Xmen movie and the working title is Xmen: Supernova and likely will include parts of the Dark Phoenix saga. Both will require large amounts of CGI. We could see that slot open up if/when either film is delayed. New Mutants is farther along but hasn't started shooting. Putting Warlock in a live action movie will take more time than they think.

    SWC will be very telling this year. If we get any Han Solo stuff (still can't believe they didn't cough up like a half dozen stills of TLJ last year at SWC...but LFL loves their fans, right KK?), they are leaning heavily to keeping the May date.

    Disney must consider how their franchises effect the larger entertainment world and be mindful of timing but what's most important (aside from hopefully quality of content) is that the franchises maintain their own internal effective timelines that prevent over saturation. There is a guiding hand of the mother ship, but they have to let things stand on their own or the assists aren't worth the capital Disney invests in them.

    Looking through that lens, TLJ in December and Han Solo in May does have a certain logic: you have TLJ in December that would include a trailer for Han Solo, you have a SW panel at SDCC, you piggyback the smaller film on the promotional campaign for the saga film.

    But E9 won't come out in May 2019. No way. Fisher's death has put that movie in a terrible position. The ST will never be done as intended and it'll be pretty easy to see the strings because the villain is KR and he killed his father already. His mother (and member of the big three) is dead in real life.

    I have no idea how they'll put the Humpty Dumpty of the E9 plot back together, but they'll need all 34 months to produce anything close to what E9 was intended to be.

    To keep expectations lower, they have to maintain the 12 month spacing, because an 18 month gap is too much once you've steadily decreased it from 120 months to 12 to 6.

    If that's the case, and they kind already have to already made that call.

    If they had planned to release Solo in May 2018 but only recently decided they have to delay it, they are probably pulling any Solo content from SWC. (Which would get no benefit from a SDCC or SWC beforehand if released in May).

    What that means in the short term is we benefit for them showing more TLJ stuff at SWC.

    They have built it up at "the place for E8 news" and people keep saying they "got the message people were disappointed by London" but does anyone have a source on that? Have they ever acknowledged that they knew fans were let down and would do better?

    People like John Campenea & other quasi-insiders like the main staffers at screenrant.com have said that they were suprised at how little was done on E8 last year but don't recall any saying that LFL recognized it or even cared?
     
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    Since Avatar 2 is expected to be in cinemas in December 2019, I guess episode IX will avoid the same date. But I also doubt that a May release is possible with Carrie's passing and expected rewrites. :rolleyes:
     
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    @Lobot you have some great points my friend, a lot of which I agree with, but I think you may have misinterpreted some of my key points:

    • by saying that Disney made a minefield, I wasn't referring to Summer 2018 alone - I was referring to every summer, and perhaps even every quarter of the year. They have live action remakes of animated films, new animated films, PIXAR films, Marvel films and Star Wars films, and by filling up the calendar so far in advance it effects them as much as it does their competitors (I was not referring to MI6, Transformers, etc. when I said this). This has resulted in both themselves and many other studios avoiding such big dates, meaning that looking toward 2020, every single year has more potential blockbusters per month than perhaps ever before.
    • I believe that a May release would be cannabilising. IW and Han Solo will have a huge overlap in audience, as will too Han Solo and Incredibles 2, meaning that they could be taking money away from themselves; also, it's worth noting that having all of these films in such a short space, many may decide to just watch one or two and catch the other/s when they are released for home viewing, considering the rising prices of cinema tickets and also online piracy. They are 3 weeks apart in terms of release as far as I'm aware, as is Han Solo to Incredibles 2.
    • Ocean's 8, amongst all of the other films I listed, do effect the Han Solo film, and perhaps more than even I would care to admit. For one, films such as Transformers are huge over in China - a market place that Star Wars has yet to figure out - and will drown out a Star Wars film with relative ease, whilst any other "major" release will chip away at Han Solo's takings at the BO.

    The reason that Star Wars is so well positioned in December, as we both seem to agree, is because of the lack of major tentpole releases in December and the early year period as a whole, and this is by Disney's own doing - up to this point, since acquiring multiple major franchises, anyway - as well as the rest of the industry's current view on the period: it's a place for Oscar releases/reruns (which typically don't challenge a blockbuster), animated movies and films that were made for no specific time of the year.

    As for pulling anything Han Solo related from SWC if it is moved to December, I also disagree, based on the fact that a short teaser was shared at SWC 2015 for Rogue One (which had already been scheduled for December 2016).

    Finally, despite the not-so-major rewrites for TLJ, it still sits firmly in a position where it certainly COULD have been ready for its May release (though I'm glad it was delayed; me being a SW fan and wanting TLJ to crush at the BO aside, Rian Johnson is an excellent director, and if there's no rush, why add more pressure to the oven?). I couldn't agree more with your view of IX, and it will be interesting to see - if we ever do - just how much their vision will be altered by the passing of Carrie (I for one still firmly believe that we might see a return of the "Making of" JW Rinzler books, but they won't be released until after IX, either as an entire "Making of the Sequels" book or a three-piece set).
     
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    Very good points all the way around.

    Yeah, I was just kind illustrating the that the studios have kind of agreed (by actions not by colluding) on a 3-4 week max window for each other's tent poles.

    That spacing is going to be true for at least the next 5 years, and Disney is going to have competition with a big movie a few weeks before and after whether they own it or not.

    Oceans 8 is a chick-caper flick. I'm interested to see what the tone will be, but I agree it will share some of Han Solo's audience. How much will depend greatly on its tone.

    Hindsight is 20/20 and while they didn't need the extra time on TLJ I don't fault the decision at all, but since they do have the 6 months, you're right, really get everything perfect (especially the CGI, one of TFA biggest weaknesses).

    The books thing is spot on. I said several weeks ago that I want them to release at least the original story treatment (or synopsis) for EIX like five years after it is released. It would be a very interesting to see where they go in IX and where they wanted to go originally
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    Avatar 2 won't release in 2019 at Christmas. They keep delaying the start of filming and the story seems to be getting away from them. They keep saying it'll be 2-3-4 more movies
     
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    As for RO at SWC 2015, that was a title announcement and concept teaser. We also got a teaser for TFA 13 months in advance.

    2.5 billion dollars in ticket sales later KK & co. are done giving anything away for free.

    If Solo movie isn't coming out until next December, we likely won't get the official title for another 10 months, the cast list for another 14.

    But LFL loves their fans.
     
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    Cannibalizing the early run box office of their own properties isn't the only motivation for Disney to move some of their tent poles out of the summer months. When you're spending $100 million+ to promote and distribute each of them they don't want them stacked up too close to one another so that they have to lay out those huge promotional budgets all around the same time. Ideally they want the revenue from one big budget movie to bankroll the promotion for the next one coming down the pipe. Having something like one of their Marvel movies and then Star Wars in the last quarter helps to spread that out.
     
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    The latest josh gadd video trying to interrogate daisy is great. Watch til the very end:)
     
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    Oh man, those folks without a sense of humor are really gonna hate this one.
     
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    I despise that guy, but that's funny. Probably as close to a mea culpa as we get from him.

    Josh and Luke Evans posing for 90's style Valentine teen couples portraits that were posted on Twitter redefine hilarious. I always suspected Luke Evens would be a fun hang, now I'm positive.

    Also, when will Hollywood give us the Christopher Cross biopic everyone and their cat lady aunt are desperately waiting for, starring a Chris Pratt who goes method and balloons back to his Parks and Recreation weight, Deniro in Raging Bull style??? When Lord? When's it going to be our time??
     
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    When the GOTG and JW money dries up.
    Until then, he'll keep making movies that involve shirtless or at the very least incredibly tight wardrobe to capitalize on his fame.
     
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    I'm squealing!
     
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    Agreed! I've thought something similar for a while. The sequel trilogy was probably going to be all about the redemption of Ben through his mother. Quite where we end up in at the end of Episode 9 is probably keeping Colin Trevorrow up at nights as we speak.....
     
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    Leave Pratt alone. That guy is as funny as Trump being stuffed into bag of rabid weasels.

    He's married to Anna Faris (also very funny) and has said repeatedly that he got heavy largely because she's such a great cook and there's nothing he'd rather do than stay in and have dinner with her.

    That's adorable like eight different ways. Also, it looks like he's going to get taken down a few pegs in GOTG2 which he's great at.

    Besides, Paul Rudd did the Marvel hero unnecessarily sculpted abs gratuitous shirtless shot too, and I will not have you badmouthing Paul Rudd, a man respected, nay adored as anyone in America save Tom Hanks
     
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    I suspect Jar Jar has been keeping Luke company all these years....

     
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    Pretty much. And even with the delay, they barely finished in time.

    TLJ's production on the other hand goes suprisingly well, so far.
     
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    He doesnt "make" the movies. He gets hired to be the shirtless heartthrob wearing the incredibly tight clothing. . . Why? Because dude can do it and do it well.

    Dont hate the player. Hate the game.
     
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    In Star Wars: The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary by Pablo Hidalgo.
     
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    I'm unsure where there was any "hate"
     
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