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General The Bad Batch talk

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Bad Batch' started by Devizz, Oct 22, 2020.

  1. Mando LXXXV

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    Fair enough
     
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    Right totally.
     
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    I’m still pickled trying to wrap my noodle around why staging an incredibly dangerous heist would be somehow inherently less risky than simply boarding the shuttle you have in front of you and just leaving. But then I guess you wouldn’t get the ultra-compelling A-Team antics that is this show’s bailiwick.
     
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    Yeah, that is very true. If you look back at the episode the family should just have gone with the BB who would have dropped them of somewhere. As the Empire was starting to register people, they would not even have illegally hopped systems according to the imperial database. Nobody would have noticed, I guess. However, you never know: perhaps the next episode starts with them being followed by an imperial fleet and then we know why it was more dangerous. ;)
     
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    I have some questions about the first two episodes of The Bad Batch season 1.
    -Did Cut Lawquane ever met The Bad Batch before? I mean, during the Clone Wars. Because I noticed that Cut and the Bat Batch knew each other. I don't remember the Bad Batch episodes in Clone Wars.
    -Cut Lawquane has a chip like the other clones? Why did he not obey to order 66?
    -Crosshair is obeying the orders because of the chip or he joined the Empire of his own will? From what I understood, Crosshair's chip is not working, therefore I assume that nothing and nobody that forced him to betray his squad.
    -I thought that Tarkin should be a little bit younger from what we see in The Bad Batch. Or am I mistaken?
     
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    -Did Cut Lawquane ever met The Bad Batch before? I mean, during the Clone Wars. Because I noticed that Cut and the Bat Batch knew each other. I don't remember the Bad Batch episodes in Clone Wars. <--They obviously met at some point, but I believe it must've been off screen (or in a comic or something)?

    -Cut Lawquane has a chip like the other clones? Why did he not obey to order 66? <--It is unlikely CL has been following Clone radio chatter and he probably never received the Order 66 command, so his chip override thingy never triggered. Also, as far as we know, CL has never encountered a Jedi after TCW season 2, so he might not have had an opportunity to obey the Order 66 command even IF he somehow received it. (Assuming the first is correct, it would be very interesting to see what happens if Lawquane sees an old recording of the Order 66 command, or in another way receives the order delayed... Tragedy will ensue).

    -Crosshair is obeying the orders because of the chip or he joined the Empire of his own will? From what I understood, Crosshair's chip is not working, therefore I assume that nothing and nobody that forced him to betray his squad. <--Crosshair doesn't break with his squad because his brain is overridden by a chip. He betrays the BB because he believes in the Imperial ideals and ways. In his own narrative, Crosshair is the hero of the story and the rest of the BB the bad guys.

    -I thought that Tarkin should be a little bit younger from what we see in The Bad Batch. Or am I mistaken? <--According to Wookieepedia, Tarkin was born in 64 BBY, which would make him about 45 in TBB season 1. He does indeed look older than 45... perhaps Tarkin's a smoker? In any case, the animated shows presents everything in an exaggerated maner, so it's best not to get caught up in details.
     
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    Is it possible Wrex told him about the chip?
     
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    OK thank you for the precision.

    I started Rebels but stopped during season 2 as I found it too much childish.
    And seven seasons of The Clone Wars is very long to watch entirely.
    These are the main two reasons why I've not seen these shows yet.

    OK thank you.
     
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    Great job answering those questions. I have to disagree on Crosshair purely betraying the BB because he believes in the Imperial ideals and ways. The conversation about his chip goes as follows:

    "Nala Se: CT-9904’s genetic mutations have altered much of his cranial activity, including his inhibitor chip.
    Tarkin: Yet he exhibited loyalty to the Empire during their mission.
    Nala Se: While the chip is not as active as a standard clone’s, the order [66] does appear to be working.
    Tarkin: Can you intensify the programming?
    Nala Se: Yes.
    Tarkin: Then proceed.

    (chip programming intensified)."

    He did have an altered way of how his inhibitor chip worked. It was not as active as in other clones but still active. Because of this order 66 is still working on him. The way Nala Se answers to Tarkin's remark, it shows an active chip also increases loyalty to the Empire. This is also what we see from the 'regular' clones in the Palpatine speech scene. The loyalty Crosshair thus showed still comes from the chip.

    How much of Crosshair's actions are the chip doing what it is supposed to do and how much of his actions are free choice is thus not clear. The chip not being as active could mean it is sometimes malfunctioning and sometimes not. Or it could be that he is pushed to be loyal to the Empire but he can fight it to some extent. If we then think about him trying to shoot Kanan, we don't know if that then was part of the still actively working chip causing him to execute order 66 or his own choice. The same goes for him betraying the BB. His loyalty to the Empire appears to be enhanced, but we (and apparently neither Nala Se or Tarkin) don't know to what extent. Whatever is the case, I guess we will never know if it would have been his free choice to be loyal to the imperial ideals and ways without the inhibitor chip.
     
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    Thank you for the answers.:)
    Spoiler The Bad Batch:
    I didn't think about this. Actually it could be a possibility. And who knows if Rex was alone or with someone else.
    Another thing. At first I didn't recognize that the boy at the beginning of S1E1 was actually Kanan Jarrus.
     
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    I was wondering the other day - some characters we know about are set to show up and shock us all. What if the character to show up would be Luminara Unduli? Could we perhaps see her execution (tying the show even further with Rebels)?
     
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    While I could never get into TCW. I really liked this show. It's so reminiscent of some of the best US/British special forces team books and movies I have seen/and read. With the heroes being great problem solvers and never giving up. The animation was spectacular. I was surprised on how quickly the show was turned around from commission to air date. It makes me hopefully that LF might want to give us a similar drama around the ST. Hopefully that covers the one year gap between TLJ and TROS.
     
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    I know everyone says this, but have you watched the Umbara arc? I find the vibe to be quite similar.
     
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    Good thinking. Luminara would be awesome to see in TBB. It might be odd to have here execution so far after order 66 was announced. I feel like a jedi either survives order 66 and goes into hiding or dies from it. Plus, I feel like seeing Luminara would be irrelevant at the moment because of what is currently going on in the show
     
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    Luminara in canon was executed a while after order 66. This is shown in Rebels as a hologram. Dave Filoni explained this in an interview with IGN about the holograms we see of Luminara in Rebels. He said about it:

    "Order 66 didn’t wipe them all out. Some of them were captured and probably executed later, which is what you see the holographic recording of. It’s actually Luminara’s execution in that chamber. She’s used for a very nefarious purpose. [...] Literally, what you see in that hologram, is her sitting, waiting to be executed. It’s a recording of that event. So when they walk in and see her, they’re actually standing where the Inquisitor was standing [when it was recorded]. And so when she walks up and looks at them kind of distantly and not very friendly, she’s looking at the Inquisitor and that’s what the recording is of. Then she steps over into that chamber and obviously she gets killed there."

    So, she got killed by the Grand Inquisitor as a prisoner, at the exact cell in the Spire facility where Kanan came to free her. I don't think it's probable we will see that in the series, as I don't think it will be a logical place for the BB to show up.
     
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    I like how they are adding young characters that could survive too the time of TFA.
     
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    Speaking of the Umbara arc and characters that we might see...

    Do we know what happened to General Krell after Order 66?

    Seems like he might be a really interesting character to bring into this series- the rogue Jedi general and clones who wouldn't have followed his orders. Plus, it'd be fascinating to see how he'd interact both with the Empire, as well as the similarly aggressive Saw Gerrara.
     
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    Wait huh? He's dead.
     
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    Executed by Dogma.
     
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    I am actually curious what happened to Dogma after that. He was taken into custody, but did he face execution? Probably. Or is there a chance he might have been allowed to desert? But, unless he shows up in BB out of nowhere, that's a bit off-topic. ;)
     
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