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George Lucas Planned for Luke to go to a Dark Place

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by DailyPlunge, Nov 22, 2018.

  1. DailyPlunge

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    Good thread from Lucasfilm Creative Art Manager, Phil Szostak about Luke.



    This has been mentioned before, but the Luke we see in The Last Jedi goes back years before Disney got involved. It's also evidence that Lucas has a lot more influence on this trilogy that most people think and it suggests there's some kind of plan in place before they started.

    I have no doubt JJ and Rian had control of the fimls, but I assume the story pitch had to follow some guidelines.
     
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    But that was pretty obvious regardless. Given... TFA.
    The point - at least to me - is just his motivations to do so.
     
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    I think this art is in the book The Art of The Force Awakens, I am almost sure about that, but I don't have the book with me now to confirm. Also there are others concepts for Luke in TFA in that book.

    I still think that the Luke We saw in TLJ was the perfect arch for the character. Slligthly dark (due to the flashback scene when he thought even for one second to kill his apprentice).

    P.S: I found this one in the internet. They are very Dark side and they are from the concepts arts for TFA.

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    I never got this idea of Luke in the sand....same with the idea of the flying hand/saber in espace...

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    OMG! Col. Kurtz was an early model for Luke's arc in the ST? *brain melts* That would've been AMAZING! Crazy and disturbing, but amazing still! Man, I want to see Mark Hamill do a Kurtz now :D Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they didn't go quite that far, 'cause it would've broken my heart, but still... :)
     
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    I would love to see that too.

    But...imagine the fans reactions...hahaha...if some fans hated the Luke from TLJ...
     
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    *fans google Col Kurtz*

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    *fans google 1993 Heart of Darkness*
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    (Seriously, don't watch it, it's BAAAAAAD, despite having John Malkovich as Kurtz)
     
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    Tim Roth and Malkovich but it's still so....bleh
     
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    didn't kurtz have a load of followers surrounding him during his crazy days? he was their cult-like leader. i don't think he was a hermit.

    who was that crazy Jedi in the expanded universe books...I can't remember what the book was called now, but it was a Timothy Zahn one. he was a really powerful Jedi and he went a bit nuts and ended up being used by Thrawn. He sounds a bit like how they pictured Luke ending up. I think he was even hiding out on his own little planet where no one could find him.
     
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    Come on! Apocalypse Now with Marlon Brando, people! Luke as a crazy Brando. Cool...
     
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    I have a bad feeling this dude is a member of this forum... creepy to say the least:

     
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    This was more about the awful Heart of Darkness 1993 TV film than about Luke. ;)
     
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    I gathered as much ;)
     
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    Jorus C'Baoth. His clone actually. And yes, he was a crazy old man.

    PS. From the trilogy of Zahn, also known as the Thrawn Trilogy.
    - Heir to the Empire
    - The Dark Force Rising
    - The Last Comand

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    Now I am curious about this Hearth of Darkness. Never heard about it.
     
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    Oh dear. You might be right.
     
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    It wouldn't be the first time Lucas had focused on the ugly side of Luke.
     
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    Yeah well, that's just like your opinion, man
     
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    Some behind the scenes trivia for anyone who doesn't know: Timothy Zahn originally wanted the 'crazy old man' of his novel to be a clone of Obi-Wan Kenobi, but Lucas and/or Lucasfilm wouldn't allow it, so he just invented his own Jedi from the past for him to be a clone of instead.
     
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    I don't get the heat I got for this post considering that there are still a lot of people who operate under the misconception that the EU was "his vision" that Disney discarded when he barely gave it much thought, aside from drawing occasional details from it (Coruscant's name, Aayla Secura, etc.).

    It's times like these that I wish Pablo Hidalgo didn't periodically purge his account of information, because he had a great thread explaining everything.
     
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