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George Lucas Saga Is Going to Be A Hard Act To Follow

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Rayjefury, Jan 4, 2020.

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    Now that the Skywalker Saga is over, I really do not envy whoever it is who is tasked with telling a new story. For any fault you could lay at George Lucas' feet, the creativity and imagination that took place under his watch that built the GFFA seems might NEVER be rivaled.

    Think of how many iconic things there were in the OT. The Millenium Falcon, the X Wings, Y Wings, B Wings, TIE Fighters (in all their variations) and the sounds they made in flight, AT-ATs, Walkers, Shuttles, Speeder bikes, Storm Troopers, Massive Space Faring Navys, Lightsabers, and the sounds they made, the Jedi and the Sith, Death Stars, the planets, the factions, the droids, The Force. It is almost unreal how many things were imagined and put into film that you had never seen before.

    And there has been no explosion of creativity in SW like it since. Everything in the PT and ST has been derivative. Adding a twist to an existing concept, or making a tweak to a vehicle, or adding characters with links to characters in the OT, but nothing you haven't seen before. I think that speaks VOLUMES of what George Lucas was able to put together in the OT and why I don't envy who comes next.

    Because if they have to build their pocket of the SW galaxy from the ground up, if they aren't able to harvest and leverage legacy items... if they have to come up with all new weapons, vehicles, planets, factions, politics, philosophies, physics, and sounds? It is going to be an unbelievably difficult undertaking.

    Give that man George Lucas his respect.
     
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    Yeah, good point. The saga, where it all started, is filled with all of those iconic things you mention, that are very specific to the particular setting and story spanning from the Phantom Menace to the Rise of Skywalker. The Emperor, the "1st Galactic Empire", the fall and the return of the Jedi, the Republic, the New Republic, the First Order. I also agree that the ST feels derivative. Rogue One also takes part in this time span. So is Solo. So, all the new 5 Star Wars movies were deeply connected to George Lucas' creativity and imagination, and I suppose many fans wished that. Then we may all have different opinions on how close or innovative we'd like the ST to have been.

    I haven't seen the Mandalorian yet, but I know it happens between episode VI and VII. A new Obi-Wan Kenobi series would also happen in this time span.

    So, everything in the new movies and series (don't know about the animated series, but I suspect is the same) in the Disney era takes part in the "Skywalker Saga" time span. So, if this saga is over, what will happen next? I guess they can still use the Falcon and new X-Wings and TIE-Fighter variants. Different versions of AT-ATs, Walkers, Storm Troopers, all that. But for that they would have to be derivative yet again.

    My guess would be that if a new saga, or a new trilogy of movies, is to happen after the events of Rise of Skywalker, it will probably feel a bit like the PT felt to the OT or vice versa, in terms of the world. You will probably see many differences in style, but the worlds' main characteristics will be there and it will probably still be and feel the Star Wars we all know.
     
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    I think it’s one of the greatest Saga’s put to film that wasn’t adapted from a novel. Think about The Godfather, Jaws, The Lord of the Rings, any comic book movie, all taken from source material. Lucas literally invented this world from scratch and told this expansive story that eventually became 9 films. Yes the story doesn’t always flow consistently and some of the films are better than the others, but this is something you’ll never see again on screen.
     
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    I can't fathom why some people in the fandom want hands off from George in future projects. For blasts sake, he knows the franchise better then anyone. Without him, you don't have Star Wars to complain about it. I like the ST, but I would love for Disney to give George another chance to write and direct a film again.
     
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    Because he's not a good director anymore like he used to be. Just look at episode 2 and 3.
     
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    Selfishly I’d love another Star Wars film by George Lucas. But I wouldn’t want that for him. He’s let go, and I think it was for the best choice for him. He deserves to not have to put up with the nonsense anymore (regardless of whether one thinks he had lost his filmmaking mojo or not by the time he retired).
     
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    @Rayjefury, I'm going to have to completely agree with you on this....

    See, the difference here is that George was telling a story that he created in his mind....and yes it was to make money, but it was a real story that was born from his creativity and imagination, and it was his passion, whereas Disney (to me) doesn't seem to have that vested interest in telling a story per se as they are making money, and they knew Star Wars was that "cash cow" that could be milked....and that's what they're doing.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Disney for doing what they do, they're just less interested in telling THIS story as they are profiting from it, whereas George was most interested in the STORY, and getting it right....money to be made AFTER the fact....

    Personally speaking, George needs to come back for at least one more film.....that comes from HIS imagination, and is left to HIM to make without intervention from anyone on the story because HE is the father of Star Wars, and that universe is his child...let him do it, and let him be WHILE he's doing it.

    Would George come back and helm a movie of his own??

    Hard to say....maybe, maybe not.

    George was periodically on the sets of the ST as it was filming, BUT he's been on the set of Mando seemingly a LOT because that show is exactly what he envisioned with the OT...a good 'ol fashioned Space-Western-Serial that he wanted to make, and it seems to me that by being there and seeing what that end-product has become might just spark George's "want" to do it again.....we'll see.

    I personally would be ECSTATIC to have him back...to make one more run for SW sake...and for the fans...HIS fans.
     
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    Disliking a movie is one thing, saying he is a bad director is another. Especially when we have no actual evidence that he was bad director. You just assume he is, because you dislike those movies. So, what he was a good director for TPM? :rolleyes:
     
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    George never visited any of the ST sets (he dislikes the movies for obvious reasons), but he visited the spin offs and Mando.
     
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    If new storytellers want to make a SW story that even comes close to the original Saga, they need to stop looking at previous Star Wars movies go back to the source of Lucas' inspiration: fairy tales, mythology, adventure serials, westerns, samurai films.

    There are so many tropes in these sources that the Star Wars films have yet to employ. Give me an epic about brothers, or mothers and daughters, or the lone lawman in a lawless world, or the disgraced warrior earning back his heroism. Just a few ideas.

    If you keep making Star Wars just based on previous Star Wars, you ultimately get watered down Star Wars. Go back to the source and you might get legitimate, authentic new Star Wars.

    EDIT: in my opinion, The Mandalorian has done this better than any Star Wars story since the Prequels.
     
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    @Jaxxon Superb post I totally agree!!
     
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    Partially correct....he visited the TLJ set...
     
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    I see your point here. AOTC and ROTS are not good movies. The lines are silly, the actors weak and they over did it with the CGI. These movies have to many flaws.

    But Lucas also directed THX 1138 (experimental and a good movie), American Graffiti (pretry good movie) and the first SW (excellent in my opinion). So, he knows how to direct.

    Actually I would love to see a partnership between Lucas and Johnson. Lucas with the creative mind behind the story and RJ as the director. I think its a good combination.
     
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    Just because he didn't visit doesn't mean he hates them (I'm aware he didn't like TFA). There could've been a hundred different reasons why he didn't visit. Don't assume that he didn't visit, because he hated it. Especially since he visited the spin offs and Mando.
     
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    Yes, please give GL his due respect and cease omitting the PT from his masterpiece. There was nothing derivative about it as it built on what he started with the OT. It was generally the story GL envisioned, even if it wasn't what PT detractors envisioned. I will ride with George's vision over his detractors.
     
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    That's the thing.

    The prequels are really a mess. But they're a mess in the process of attempting something entirely unique.

    I would honestly rather have Star Wars that swings big and misses big than Star Wars that plays it safe and is just okay.

    That's why I can't get behind #MakeSolo2Happen, as much as I love all the positivity. To me, Solo is everything I feared Disney Star Wars would be. It's not a disaster, it's just absolutely safe and middle-of-the-road.
     
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    I like those films. The dialogue was terrible at times, but the overall story was great. Film is an escape from reality and the visual world GL created in the PT was outstanding in building out the Star Wars universe for us. As escapism goes, episodes I-III are great, in spite of their flaws (as are the deeply flawed OT films).
     
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    I think what differentiates the Lucas, Cameron, Spielberg blockbuster storytelling from the modern era is they were using the genre to tell something personal. Most blockbusters today lack that personal quality as it’s more about wowing people.

    The Star Wars Saga 1-6 was essentially about a father/son dynamic as I’m sure it reflected Lucas personal relationship with his dad.

    ET is about divorce and how kids deal with it as Spielberg went through the same thing with his parents. Cameron was always pushing the envelope in his movies but they always had a theme about War and Nuclear Weapons.

    As much as I enjoyed the ST and will defend the movies, they are missing that personal story/theme that Lucas would have told. Lucas has his flaws as a director as shown in the PT, but his storytelling is always something that will push the story forward and expand upon what he previously laid the groundwork for. That is what the franchise will miss.
     
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    Lucas has soundly said this is not the case.

    Cheers,
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    Oh yes. ;) The Star Wars Galaxy is huge. There's so much room for storytellers to put a "Star Wars" spin on these other genres and I think it would be absolutely fantastic to see.
     
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