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Go for 'R'??

Discussion in 'Solo' started by Talon Karrde, Feb 28, 2016.

  1. Vader_the_White

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    You do know that the number of stories is actually very small. The best storytellers know how to tell them differently.
    And it isn't like Star Wars has ripped anything off.
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    You do know that I was specifically asked how it was a rip-off, right?
    You do know that I was referencing my fustration that an R-rated rip-off of Star Wars ran off with 4 oscars while our PG-13 real legit Star Wars movie ran off feeling like a cheap prostitute after being regarded as little more than garnish for the Oscars, right?
    You do know you missed the entire point of my argument, right?
     
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    Since we're trading Dookus I want to explain why I disagree with that statement. Every movie that is made for distribution in the US today has a target rating. The rating of a film is a fundamental element in the conceptualization of a movie and guides critcal decisions that are made regarding the theme and content of the film. They don't just make a movie and see where the chips drop; they haven't made movies like that since Hays Code.
    And with respect to your view on Deadpool I have seen both bands of that trailer: Deadpool was destined to be a crap film if it didn't have an R.
     
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    The only Star Wars story I could see even needing an R rating might be one that delves heavily into the underbelly of the universe - heavy narcotics use, slavery, sex trade, excessively violent Bounty Hunters or if main characters came across something like the Giger Alien. But truth is, you don't -need- to go that far. With editing and good storytelling you can get all that across in a subtle manner, like how some older movies would handle hot button issues back in the day.

    Although I would not be adverse to an adult Star Wars sci-fi story like the recent show The Expanse on sci-fi.

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    I actually disagree on Deadpool's rating, R was right for the story they were trying to tell, but its not impossible to make a good Deadpool movie in a PG-13 context. It would have been much more difficult to make Deadpool good with more restrictions, but it would have been possible, the comics have done it very well for decades. Comics of course can use things like word bubbles, bleeped language and creative angles to hide these things of course, but film can do most of those things too, it would just be much harder. For excellent use of Deadpool in a PG-13 context see the Wolverine Vs Hulk short that was done a few years back, seriously funny stuff.

    To keep things Star Wars focused here is one of my favorite Star Wars references from a Deadpool comic ;).

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    You are right with pretty much every film being made with a target rating in mind. Most PG-13 films actually have R Rated cuts that they cut down in order to get a PG-13 rating since that was their original intent.
     
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    i think one of the main premises of star wars is that it's a FAMILY experience. it gets passed down generation by generation because of how universal it is. that being said, i know many of us would adore an R-rated star wars film, but i just don't think it'll happen.. especially now that the mouse owns it. what i DO think is possible is an r-rated star wars tv series?? we can dream, right?!
     
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    Then prepare to walk away empty every February. Because the primadonnas at SAG sent us a message loud and clear: we give awards to R-rated films, not PG-13. Bridge of Spies was the only PG-13 film to win jack at the Oscars.
    I don't want the mainline films to deviate from what you said: this would strictly be an anthology experiment. We're not turning our backs on family oriented films.
    But Stars Wars needs an Oscar vehicle. That much is clear to me now.
     
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    It is true that the Star Wars franchise isn't exactly a favorite at the Oscars, between seven films now, the series has won seven Oscars, six for ANH and one for ESB. However I'm not terribly bothered by that fact. I personally feel that TFA should have won at least one or two this year, but I'm not bothered by the fact that it didn't. The Oscars have traditionally looked down upon genre movies, we get occasional exceptions like ANH winning six, Return of the King sweeping all 11 categories that it was nominated for, and this year's awards for Mad Max of course. I would posit that Mad Max edged SW out partially due to the fact that the Academy folks wanted to recognize George Miller who isn't getting any younger, plus because of the fact that the Mad Max series had been dormant for such a long time, it probably felt fresher to most people than Star Wars did this year.

    At the end of the day though, the awards that a movie is given by a selection of mostly old white guys doesn't affect my enjoyment of it whatsoever. All I want are excellently made films, helmed by creators who are passionate about what they are doing. As long as the films are great, I could care less whether or not Star Wars ever wins another Oscar. I certainly hope that they would never consider making a Star Wars film as Oscar bait, but rather because they think it is a great story that needs to be told, although I'm kinda doubtful that we need a young Han Solo story but that's a different argument entirely.
     

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