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Had He Kept Lucasfilm George Lucas Would Have Made Three More Films Further Explaining the Nature of the Force

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  1. SWNN Probe

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    George Lucas appeared on James Cameron's series Story of Science Fiction and at one point went into the origin behind the idea of midi-chlorians and their connection to real life science, and how he blended that with his mythical Force to further explain its tangible side in the prequels, uncovering his idea behind the nature of the Force. What is interesting about this discussion is George Lucas stating had he kept Lucasfilm, he would have made more movies telling this aspect of the story. Here is a transcript from the exchange between the two iconic filmmakers.




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    There is a certain overtone of sadness here, as it seems George Lucas has at least some level of regret having sold Lucasfilm. Lucas has been known to flip-flop on the truth behind his saga, at one time saying there were nine films to make, and at other times saying it was Darth Vader's story and it was completed after six. But that is the mind of a brilliant creator isn't it? Just as the Force itself, it's always in motion. Perhaps George Lucas will never be completely at peace with his decision to sell Lucasfilm to Disney, as the limitless dreamer will always have stories to tell in his brilliant imaginative mind.



    Regardless of who legally owns the brand, Star Wars will always belong to George Lucas. It is forever his playground of limitless ideas in this fantastically wonderful galaxy he created over 40 years ago that he has allowed different creators and us fans to play in whenever we'd like. Whether we believe he was smart to sell Lucasfilm or that he should have kept it and told more of his ideas doesn't matter. What matters is that he alone gifted the world with a myth that transcends movies, transcends fiction, and has created a community that while toxic at times, ultimately exists as a place friends and families can escape to and dream as he did four decades ago, and for that we are all eternally grateful.



    Thank you George.



    John Hoey

    'For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is.'





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    George makes it sound like he didn’t have all the opportunity in the world to do what he’s talking about. He just didn’t want to deal with the backlash? Is that what he’s saying?

    It’s funny how this is set up as a back-and-forth, but neither is actually reacting to the other. It’s not a conversation. They're just talking about what they want to talk about independent of the other.
     
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    Yep. He had the time and money. He chose not to for whatever reason (yeah you're right about the why)
     
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    I've always liked GL's vision better than Disney's. I still think the PT is way better than the ST (though not as good as the OT). I do love Rogue One though.

    I think GL has to be careful about what he says publicly, but I think he does at least partially regret selling Lucasfilm. I think he thought Disney would let him direct episode VII and then have other people finish the ST with GL serving as a consultant. When Disney went against much of GL's vision for the ST (in my opinion, TFA does not fit with his vision), he retired from Star Wars altogether.

    In short, I think GL thought Disney would value his ideas and opinion more than they did.
     
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    We've got fans criticizing how LFL is portraying the Force now, and meanwhile Uncle George stumbles into the room and reveals that he wanted to quadruple down on the whole midichlorian thing.

    Clearly fans range an entire spectrum in their understanding of the Force, but I can't help but wonder why anyone would prefer the tangible microbiological side to the mysticism elements.
     
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    So George's vision for the future of SW is built upon the ideas that the "fans" hated the most. No wonder he didn't want to make any more SW movies.
    Still, if somebody starts bashing KK again and praise George Lucas, we can show them this and say "If Lucas were back, you would be getting midichlorians. Lots and lots of midichlorians".
     
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    This reads like a filmmaker who was afraid of people hating his vision.
     
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    Yeah, I wonder why...

    On a completely unralated note, here's a fun song I found recently:
     
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    Self-awareness and self-reflection have never really been strengths of the fanbase, unfortunately.

    It's almost like we need a film series all about healthy and unhealthy attachments, and self-realization. Wait.....
     
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    If what he wanted to do was done in the framework of a true sequel trilogy (direct sequels to the OT) than it could have worked. Luke discovering more and more about the force and thus the midichlorians could be interesting. As long as the main framework of the story had the OT characters (plus any children like he's stated in the past he would have done), I would be okay and want to see it.
     
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    Sounds totally wacky, but well... I guess he would have made it work somehow. The reaction of the fanbase would probably be rough, though.

    Personally, I find it very admirable how he doesn't care about what people think. I mean... when it comes to the creative process, that is. He obviously cares enough to abandon the project due to inevitable backlash. Sad indeed.
     
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    I've already talked about it twice and I promise it will be the last time when you hear me speaking about it, but it really made me upset. In the Prequels by themselves midichlorians do not work. At all. They make Force, a spiritual concept, into something that is rooted in the physical world and not only that, it is quantifiable. The worst part about this is that no one questions the rationale behind them or the reasons why they are measured, especially latter part, as it enters into a morally dangerous teritory of eugenics. We know, as the audience, that the Jedi of the Prequel Era are wrong in believing in something so corporeal as a basis for their faith system. Until yesterday, I believed George Lucas was of the same mind. Why? Because of the Force Priestesses from the very last arc of The Clone Wars. They make fun of Yoda and the Jedi because of how scientifically they treat the whole case of midichlorians. This made me wonder if this is what George meant but not necessarily conveyed in the Prequels, like with many other different aspects of these films.

    Until yesterday. This whole bit about Whills being Force-feeding bacteria made me question if this whole thing written above was the intent. What if George Lucas really believes the microbiological aspect of the Force is the key to understand it? Not through meditation, not through philosophical disputes, but through research in molecular biology? This is wrong. This completely strips away any mythos away from Star Wars. We've lived through this once and I do not want to come back to it ever again.
     
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    Absolutely. I'd much rather have "stronger dark, stronger light" than a plot based on prokaryotes.

    And that was what the ever mysterious "whills" were going to end up being? OH my...
     
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    Perhaps it could have been an allegory about the overuse of antibiotics and the creation of superbugs.....actually that works for the internet too.
     
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    While I am completely in agreement with you, it's worth noting two things:

    First, that every creator faces this possibility that his creation outgrows him/her and takes the life of their own in the collective consciousness. What their intentions were becomes irrelevant and will be replaced by what they are in the minds of the majority.

    Second, while completely 'forgets' midichlorians, the core philosophy of The Last Jedi aligns pretty well with (at least) part of George's vision (I wrote this on the blog as well):

    Lucas: "It’s about recognizing that we’re not the boss."

    Luke: "And this is the lesson. That Force does not belong to the Jedi."

    Whether it's biological or mystical, the Force does not belong to any one group or individual. It's its own thing.
     
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    They kept a journal though. So at least we know they were sensitive microbiotic beings. "Dear Diary, the Sith are being so mean lately. Everyone says they're bad for me. But I know I can change them."

    I think George is just saying that the Whills are the Force. They're one in the same. The Force has a consciousness of sorts, and it's expressed as the Whills. Midis are only how they biologically interface with living beings. This isn't too much of a revelation, is it?

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    OK, because I can't let this go.

    When the Force was introduced to us, it’s presented as a ubiquitous universal energy. Like gravity or electromagnetism. It’s invisible, it’s everywhere, and it’s shaping our reality even though we aren’t directly aware of it. Some people, with specialized knowledge, can utilize this energy to their own benefit. Pretty straight forward.

    Throughout the series though, it’s implied by numerous characters that the Force wants certain things. It’s activity trying to affect the galaxy by making things happen in a desired way. That perspective could be rationalized as someone simply ascribing order to seeming randomness (lightning means the gods must be angry with us or whatever).

    But, what I think George is saying here is that, yes, the Force has a ‘will’ of its own and it’s called the . . . wait for it . . . Whills. They’re the part of the Force that life (which creates the Force) interacts with via the midi-chlorians.

    If that last bit bothers you, then just take it out. The premise remains the same. Well, that’s my dime store contribution to all this anyhow :)
     
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    Here's a clip ^
     
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    This idea that some sort of semi-sentient microorganisms exist everywhere and create magic as a byproduct of their life could work. But only in a setting, that is (partly) driven by some sort of fictional science. And Star Wars movies were never driven by any kind of science. So, what George suggested would be too radical of a change.
    Still, science in SW could exist in some capacity. Like the Doctor Aphra comic, which, for all it's batshit insanity, is partly driven by archeology. So, in some other format, research in the field of microbiology could exist in Star Wars. But not in the theatrical movies.
     
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