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Han and Episode 8

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Bdgeek, Nov 23, 2014.

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  1. Bdgeek

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    The rumors about Han have Rian Johnson written all over them, they are the kind of deep, dark character study he would write. It it for this reason that I believe Han makes it to at least VIii.
     
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    While I would love for Han to survive until episode VIII I have a feeling he will perish in Episode VII in order to give it that "emotional bottom" (and death) Ford always wanted. It would also make the threat real in E7 as well as propel the plot forward IMO.

    But we know so little (factually) about the ST that it will remain to be seen. Let's hope . . .
     
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    If Han dies in episode 7, I'll be crushed..... ha ha
     
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    I think there is a 75/80% chance Solo will be axed in the 3rd act of TFA.
    If he lives to EP8, I think the plot of him being steamed at Luke but later seeing the reasons behind it.
     
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    This is pretty much what I'm thinking. To be honest, I'm very much in the 'Han dies' camp at the moment for two reasons:

    1) Ultimately, they have to establish Ridley, Boyega and other cast members as the new leads of the trilogy which can't really happen without establishing that the OT 3 have had their time and that it's now up to the new generation. This seems incredibly difficult with all three of the originals taking up screen time/audience involvement, and sometimes you have to write in something that effectively 'breaks' the old order. Out of the three, Han seems to be the least we can learn about: with Luke we have him coming to terms with his power and the responsibility of continuing the Jedi Order, with Leia we have her newfound powers as well as an important role as a dignitary post Galactic Civil War. With Han... well, there's not as much. His arc from scoundrel to hero completed in ROTJ , and even if what some have said is true and in TFA he's split with Leia and turned his back on turning completely legit, it still suggests that we'll get the same arc from selfishness to nobility all over again. . All in all, it just feel IMO like Han is the one with the least potential importance to the ST universe, so if you're going to trim down the old cast to motivate the new breed to action, he feels like the natural choice.

    2) I'm still not completely convinced by Ford's commitment to the franchise. He's gone on record as not thinking much of Han Solo as a character in the past, and while age changes one's attitudes he's become notorious for having less and less time for the Hollywood grind in recent years. He's very much become the kind of guy who'll fly in for a few days, shoot his scenes and bugger off again to do his own thing, and it's hard to see him at this age making any kind of multi-year commitment to a bunch of films.

    Then again, I could be way off. Who knows?
     
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    You may be right indeed. Perhaps Harrison is thinking more toward his next Indianna adventure?
     
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    I may be wrong, but I don't recall Ford ever stating he didn't like playing Han Solo, but that by ROTJ the character was just done. He'd gone from being scoundrel to hero and there just wasn't much else for him to do with it. He certainly didn't say he wanted Solo killed off because he hated the character, just that rightly so, it would add some weight to the situ.
     
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    It seems were being set up with a universe that is many, many shades of gray - a 30 year war/stalemate with the Empire, no clear good and bad, a galaxy that is increasingly more run-down - and I think that will reflect in the characters themselves. Are Han and Leia estranged? Divorced? Never married? Is Luke off his rocker? Are our heroes' children scattered and struggling to survive?

    This setting and the resultant impact on character may well have given Harrison Ford his second wind...and maybe he's holding out for more than one Indy too. ;-)
     
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    He may die in 7, and I think he will. It would be devastating, of course, but it would give us that set up for anxiety in 8 - knowing that our original characters are no longer safe and take the bad guys seriously. But I'd love to think there may be a flashback scene for Solo in 8 if that did happen.

    And then of course a standalone movie about an older Solo (set just prior to TFA) would be cool, but also one about a young solo pre-ANH.
     
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    I think Han & Leia should survive until episode 9 it wouldn't be the same without those to fighting & piloting the millenium falcon
     
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    As much as it sickens me to even CONSIDER the subject, I believe that Han could leave us by the end of VII. Consider this: Harrison Ford is 72 YEARS OLD (wow!!) and really, how long do we expect him to last...realistically? On the story side, Hans death would in fact intensify the ongoing storyline, and potentially add a revenge aspect to be dealt with on a morality landscape. Theoretically, someone's going to be pissed off if he was killed, which (inevitably) has its roots in evil....aaaaannnnddddd the dark side/light side, hero/villain, anger, hate, and suffering struggle continues.....at the cost of Han's life. Gasoline on a fire.
     
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    What's the betting that when Han dies Luke yells, "HAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN!!!!!!!" and then proceeds goes to beat the sh*t out of Kylo Ren :p










    (Joking)
     
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    I feel like the emotional bottom the movie needs is for the characters survive if at all possible. We live in a culture so used to death it wouldn't serve as any kind of bottom other a notification that we won't be seeing them again. Especially if there are other arcs that would serve the story better.
     
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    It sickens me to consider the subject as well! I know....*good writing* and all, but that does depend on the execution and plot. Do I think Han could die? Certainly. Do I want him to? My love for the nerfherder overrides the "intensifies plot/make room for younger cast/Han's storyline is done" factor.
    There are plenty of ways to give Han a backseat in Ep 8 and focus on the new characters. I disagree that his storyline *has* to be considered complete just because he is "old and became a hero". I am sure there are many former irl scoundrels who are "old and became a hero" and I doubt they consider themselves "through" in any way lol. I love the fact that we are seeing older and younger heroes working together. America seemed intent on the 25 yrs and under heroes rule for awhile. I am so glad to see some heroes beyond young adulthood in Avengers, Star Wars, (loved the older ladies in Mad Max: Fury Road) etc. It's great to see both younger and older folk working together to save the galaxy.


    I will say I would prefer Han lives, although I do sadly and regretfully understand some valid reasons for fans to assume he's on the chopping block. (the mentor pattern, Harrison's views on Solo, Harrison opting out, it does free up space for new faces, it is one way to create conflict for the next installment). I do think there are plenty of ways to "propel the story" forward without killing off Han. Can't he just get frozen in carbonite again or something? I can understand him dying, but I would be much more accepting of it in episode 8 or 9. Let's have some joy in Ep 7. We know 8 and 9 won't be easy for our heroes (new or old) and man, the prequels were rather dark.
     
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    @HothLeia, I agree that it's wonderful seeing older and younger heroes working side by side. Not only does it lend an air of history to the saga, but also believability. It's also a very wise marketing choice on the part of Disney. There are boomers who were teenagers when Star Wars came out and highly affected by the entire OT. And we all know it's a huge demographic, with money, and with kids & grandkids. Even now, retailers overlook boomers at their own peril. Disney did not become the money-making juggernaut it is by ignoring demographics. Even the theme parks make out like bandits because they appeal to people of all ages, far more than their competition does. Star Wars is the absolutely perfect franchise for them.

    For a long time, I've thought I would rather see Han go out in a blaze of glory, but now I'm not so sure. These movies are being filmed in relatively quick succession. Also, Han can't be a force ghost. When he's gone, he's gone. So how wonderful would it be that, instead of two characters looking out at the horizon we would have four or five? That would make for an epic shot for the last movie, if it could be done.
     
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    We need at least one reunion with Han and Lando in the new trilogy.
     
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    I feel like they've already explored Han's "sacrifice" arc already. Why repeat it again? Sure, it would be emotional if he dies in TFA, but would it fit the overall story? I'm still skeptical on that. But who knows, by December I might change my tune! ;)
     
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    Like Workyticket said above, I just can't see all of the original cast surviving the ST, and Han by far makes the most sense to be killed off from a plot mechanics standpoint.

    Leia is the de facto leader of the Resistance (or at least our audience window into its inner workings), and Luke has to teach the new Jedi. Han gets to be a big mover and shaker in Episode VII, there to tell the audience surrogates Rey and Finn - who know little about the galaxy - about what the status quo is really like. He's no Jedi master, but he serves the same purpose as Obi-Wan in ANH, delivering plot info to us by delivering it to the leads.

    And just like in ANH, he gets killed by his son (echoing the death of Obi by his apprentice), thus giving us as the audience a real reason to hate and fear Kylo Ren going forward besides "his mask is scary and he has a red sword".
     
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    Rey is crying over somebody in the snowy woods. Would think its Finn since he was the only other person we have seen in that scene...with the exception of Kylo. But then where would Han be? Where would Chewy be?

    Then there is the scene of Chewy and Rey piloting the falcon. Where is Han in this scene? but then again where is Finn?

    A reunion between Han and Luke would seem like a missed opportunity for a nostalgic scene. From the footage we have seen it does not appear they will be seeing Luke at all.

    I'm going to say Rey is crying over Finn...who is not dead...but close to death.
     
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    Why would she cry over someone that she's only JUUUST met?
     
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