Han Solo and Leia...What REALLY happen between them???

i don't either. i'm perfectly okay with discussing differences of opinion if people want to do that, but a respectful flat-out disagreement with no comment is fine too.

 

I don't like to get into the whys regarding why I feel a certain way because then people who can't tolerate opposing opinions try to convince me that what I'm feeling is incorrect or try to make me feel bad for feeling a certain way when I don't think that my feelings are incorrect.

That's why I left that OTHER forum.

 

hahaha ~ yes, it's a battlefield, innit? i just like sharing what i think about stuff i like. expect others to do the same. i sometimes wonder if people who fight so hard are just that much more insecure in their actual position. i dunno. wandering OT.

 

You can disagree all you want. Fact is, people didn't believe that Vader should have been redeemed, even before all of his atrocities were revealed in the prequels.
People thought Snape was unredeemable when he killed Dumbledore too.
It doesn't really matter what we think...

Personally, I feel that redeeming Ben Solo is the only way to redeem Luke Skywalker for his failure to save/stop him.

I disagree.

 

You're absolutely right. I can disagree all I want.

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See what I mean?

 

holy crap, i've been looking for that picture for three days ~ hahaha

thank you! : D

 

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You're welcome!

 

I know that others have already responded to this, but seriously, the only reason Asty (who died) and the other pilots succeeded is that Han helped lower the shields so they could even begin the attack, and upon seeing that they were totally being wiped out, went back in to blow up the oscillator and save the day, not to mention risking and ultimately giving his life to try to bring his son home. Hero? They spell it H-A-N.

Both those statements, that Kylo/Ben is unredeemable, and that they ruined Han and Leia's story "totally" seem to be written as objective facts when they are merely personal subjective opinion. If I don't see a "personally for me", or "in my opinion" included in statements like those, but rather just a straightforward objective statement, I don't know how else we can interpret it. That makes it really difficult to intelligently discuss in a forum like this. As others have already stated, we have cinematic evidence that Vader appears to have done far worse for a much longer time period than Kylo has and yet was totally redeemable, so we can't yet count Kylo/Ben out. And as evidenced by the number of people on here that think that Han/Leia's relationship ended up coming across as much more emotional, realistic, and powerful than what many people thought they had previously wanted, imagined, or expected to see, there can definitely be plenty of healthy debate on this. The issue is not that we can't have healthy discussion here on the forums, but that it becomes much harder when personal subjective option is given as definitive objective fact.

 

Agree. As much as I was initially shocked when I saw TFA - being a big Han & Leia fan - at the end of the day it is what it is, and no matter my personal subjective opinion things will not change. And that was the risk of bringing a story back after 30 years and discarding the EU: not everyone was going to be pleased with the final result, since everyone in their mind has made expectations of how the story should have gone. But I completely understand if somebody else has a different perspective. It's like some people has disliked TFA, some others think it's better than the OT, it will depend on each one's point of view. As Obi-Wan would suggest: "Many of the truths we cling to depend onour point of view."

 

I stand by what I wrote. I won't debate it. And I'm not alone in this. Many others are not here.

This is exactly why I left another forum.

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After he killed her husband and his father? I doubt it. If that happens, that would be really a poor plot choice.

 

dude, come on now: you say you don't want to debate/argue and then you keep dragging me back into it.

i think Leia will behave much differently as his mother. i come from a philosophical background that doesn't find forgiveness so extraordinary and think it makes a great story (the story of Luke and Vader is the story of the prodigal son, which has been successfully retold for thousands of years now). it's a story i like, one that resonates for me.

that's totally okay if you don't share that point of view. now let me honor your request not to be "put upon" by people trying to convince you otherwise by declining further comment.

 

Oh this is awkward, how about these

 

It's looking like Ben Solo was just sent to Luke Skywalker without his consent and never had his parents around and didnt really want to be at the academy so he resents his parents for sending him and not being there for or with him. He probably blames them for what hes becoming and his struggle between the light and the dark

 

Alright.

I love these.

 

^^ Why is Han spanking Matt the radar technician?

 

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What if Matt the Radar Technician is the real charscter's name ?

 

Debate is essentially what forums are for...

It really depends on Ben's motivation and the degree of Snoke's control over him...

I mean, he killed his father to prove that he would not let anything stand in his way... but what exactly is he even after? What is his goal? The destruction of the Jedi, is just the tip of the iceberg.