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Harry Potter "Expanded Universe"

Discussion in 'Film' started by PrincessLeiaCB3, Jun 1, 2016.

  1. PrincessLeiaCB3

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    Hi Cantina friends!

    I've been a Harry Potter fan too for a while and just read this article from the New York Times:

    "J.K. Rowling Just Can't Let Harry Potter Go"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/05/theater/jk-rowling-just-cant-let-harry-potter-go.html?_r=0

    Been saying something similar as this bit, included in the article:

    With a new set of movies on the horizon, some fans worry that Ms. Rowling will make the same mistake that George Lucas did after the three original “Star Wars” films, producing inferior work that detracts from the brilliance of the original.

    For those of you who are also Harry Potter fans, what are your thoughts about it? Are you happy that Rowling is giving us more HP material or would you prefer to keep it to the seven books?
     
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    A long time ago, when the Harry Potter movies were coming to an end, there was much talk about Rowling killing Harry in the final movie. Many people argued that this would be true but I would always tell them that killing Harry was not going to happen. They argued with me and asked why would I say that and my answer was very simple.

    Harry Potter was a gold mine.

    Why in the world would Rowling destroy the source of her wealth? That really makes no sense as Harry's universe has become really vast and it goes much further than simply Harry vs Voldemort. There are many rich stories out there that can be explored and I for one would love to see them. I really wish some crazy giant lizard named Bossk would eat Ron and that Ginny Weasley would mistakenly end up in a giant spiders nest so that Harry and Hermione would end up together but that's just me.

    Regarding the SW prequel comparison I have to say that people talk so much garbage. When someone wants to make a movie, that persons aim is to make tons of money and have their franshise become famous to the point that they can keep on going. PT trolls may cry and whine but the PT did just that and the sad trolls argue and cry but they secretly buy everything prequel related just to say how much they hate the PT in the internet. That many fans disliked the PT? Yes that's true but the majority made it so successful that they are everywhere and everything prequel related sells well.

    This is what will happen with the Harry Potter frashise. Just like the PT and just like the Hobbit trilogy, purist fans will moan and argue that everything new is a piece of trash and that nothing can beat the originals. They will say this and that yet they will storm the theatres tons of times an after about 15 views they will fill their mouths saying said movies sucked while J.K. Rowlins laughs and rolls in a bed of the money that the haters made for her.

    For me at least, I have no problem with this and I will be very happy if they make more movies. Sure, I am not expecting every single movie that comes out to be perfect but can we really say that every single Potter movie that came before was awesome? Of course not! And here is the problem with purists that already bash the films that haven't come out yet. Not all but mostly every series of movies no matter how awesome has it's misses. You name it, Aliens, Terminator, Harry Potter, Star Trek, Star Wars ect all have their ups and downs. If we see this then we can simply just go to the movies and watch what we like cause beauty is in the eye of the beholder and one mans garbage is another mans treasure.

    Many argued and mopped about Disney making a SW movie each year but to me this is fantastic and the same can be said about Harry Potter. That each and every movie is going to be a blockbuster? Of course not yet some of them can be real awesome and they can be even better than the originals. I'm up for more Harry adventures and if they REALLY want to make an ever loyal fan out of me all they have to do is give me a movie where a monster eats this old hag:
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    Oh God how I hate Dolores Umbridge!!!!!!

    I don't know what's worst! If she or Jar Jar Binks! I mean, Jar Jar was stupid, but Dolores was just made to be hated!

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    I also can't get over the fact that Hermione is suddenly african american...I mean, I get that her ethnicity and stuff was never mentioned in the books but after seeing Emma Watson play her it just doesn't make sense and would confuse the general fans
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    Well if I know anything about how Expanded Universes go

    It'll go on for about a few good years growing and accumulating a huge fan base until a big company buys J.K. Rowling and starts calling it Harry Potter Legends

    Though in all honesty. Don't know how to think about the Harry Potter Expanded Universe. Yes I like Harry Potter, but I'm not so deeply invested into it as I am something like Star Wars. So I'll just say, yeah it's pretty cool that there's more Harry Potter stuff for the fans and fanatics alike. Will I be keeping up on them? Probably not. May glance here and there just to see what they're up to.

    Wow really? That's a thing now?

    That's like getting anyone else other then Carrie Fisher to play Princess Leia. That's going to get really confusing for everybody involved.

    Even when the original Dumbledore passed away it was really confusing for awhile with the new one.
     
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    I consider myself a hardcore OT fan, but imo TFA was better than ROTJ. Those who have the mentality you've described are the vast minority. If we get a great movie, fans will recognise it very fast.
    I think sadly there are lot more raving PT fanboys who can't/don't want to see how garbage the whole trilogy is, especially compared to the OT. And not because the OT was made before, but for the hundreds of reasons which have been over-dissected in the past 17 years.

    As for this topic. I really disagree with the overmilking of brands, but a Harry Potter EU can work if done well. Im not really interessted in the HP world, but for the fans of that series it might going to work.
     
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    Agree. For me it is more a matter of political correctness and forced diversity inclusion.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 2, 2016, Original Post Date: Jun 2, 2016 ---
    Same here. I love Harry Potter, read all the books but the fascination I felt with the young wizard does not compare with the one I feel with a GFFA.

    Quoting Finn in TFA: "Hell no!" Agree, I have a mixed origin but I would not like them suddenly saying "you know what? Turns out the ethnicity of Han Solo was never specified in the books so now we want him to be Hispanic." Me no like it!
     
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    I just hope that the talent is good though...but it's just way too jarring for me visually.
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    That's the funniest thing I've read all morning.
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    I know, it would be funny if this happened again.
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    I have to disagree with you my friend as everything about the PT has gone against what haters say yet they deny this with all their heart. You say that when we get a great movie, fans will recognize it real fast right? Now I ask you, and just how do you recognize a movie that is popular if not for the box office results and the fan hype wich the PT did infact have? Since when has people bashing a movie been enough to say if said movie was good or bad? Take the OT as an example. There was no internet back then so there was no way to hear any comments about the haters exept maybe a few friends. The movies were box office hits, they became extremely popular, there was merchandise of SW everywhere and fans digged it and would dress up like the OT characters everywhere they could. There was no internet back then so you could not know how many haters disliked the OT and argued that the SW story was nowhere near the perfection of 1934s Flash Gordon, 1929s The Buck Rogers in the 25th Century A.D. or 1966s Star Trek tv series.

    So let's see, if I eliminate the existence of the internet and I don't mind the bashers and haters and I compare the PT to the OT then what do I get? Let's see, Box office hits? Check. Extremly popular, merch everywhere? Check. Fans dig it and dress up like the PT characters everywhere they could? Check. Well then, what do we have to let us know that these movies ''were bad'' if not for a bunch of haters on the net? Yet trolls WANT everyone to think the PT was garbage just because they didn't like it. Do you even have any idea what garbage is? I would just LOVE to make a ''garbage'' movie about a Quarren named Gunk going on vacation with Salacious Crumb and Bubo and that their ship crashed landed on a planet filled with babes and that said ''garbage'' movie made so many millions that it became one of the highest grossing movies of all time and that toy companies everywhere wanted to produce my Gunk toys and that years could go by and I'd be seeing fans everywhere doing Gunk cosplays and that there was so much merchandise that you even had Gunk's face in toilet paper! Now that's an awesome way to look at garbage!

    Now let's REALLY take a look a what truly happens when fans recognize something as garbage and not just what a minority of haters that think they are majority think. The 13th Warrior, 47 Ronin, Battlefield Earth, Jack The Giant Slayer and The Astronaugt's Wife just to name a few. THESE were considered garbage my friend. These failed to capture the interest of fandom and are movies that fade away and just have a handful of followers. Does the fact that a certain few like or hate a movie give them reason enough to determine if a movie is garbage or not? Not at all!


    I love the movie Howard the Duck and I consider The Blair Witch Project an abomination that gives horror movies everywhere a bad name. I have tons of friends that love Howard the Duck as well as tons of horror movie loving friends that hated The Blair Witch Project with all their heart yet does this really mean that Howard was better than Blair Witch? Does our rambling and arguing change the fact that HTD was a flop while TBWP was a huge success? Not at all! I can give you tons of reasons on why Blair Witch was the worst horror movie ever but as you said so yourself, fans recognized the movie very fast!

    Want another example? How about Twilight? How many people have bashed the sparkly vampire dumb Bella rebound guy werewolf movie saga? These films have been bashed and hated in the net just like the PT and does that make any difference if these movies are hits and widely loved? Of course not! And why is this? Quoting you once more ''Because fans recognized the movies''. That you and many others dislike the prequels is ok with me but your claim on them being seen as garbage by the majority has nothing to back it up apart from a few fans arguing on the media. This is just the same as the case me and many other fans I know have with TFA being a overhyped trash that was just a bad rehash of ANH. Was it an unoriginal movie that gave nothing good or meaningful to the SW saga? Yes it did! But do my claims and those of many fans who hated it have anything to back them up to be able to include the majority? Sadly no and this being once more because no matter how many of us argue, TFA was recognized by the majority of fans as being awesome.


    That's what makes me different from the rest. I may dislike TFA yet I completely accept it's success opposed to those PT haters that live in denial that can't stop trolling others trying to make them see things their way. I am not less of a man for accepting the truth and I love many movies that were either flops or considered extremly bad by many and if the PT had been a junk and failed at everything, even if I liked it I would gladly accept it as this doesn't ruin my loving the movies just one bit but seeing as this was not the case with the PT, I suggest haters just suck it up and stop living in denial.

    I don't have to like it for others to consider it to be awesome and I don't have to hate it for others to think it sucks. Just ask my good friend Howard and he will tell you about it.
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    Well history can repeat itself...
     
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    Box office has never been and never going to be an appropriate source of determining film quality. Just go and watch the audience ratings on rotten tomatoes, or imdb. If TPM would not've had the words ,,Star Wars" in the title it would've failed and forgotten, just like Jupiter Ascending.
    The only reason why the PT was a box office success is the OT, nothing else. Fans of the greatest saga ever created brought their entire family to watch the biggest movie dissapointment of all time. Kids loved it, but most of them (hopefully) who grew up realised how bad they actually are, while the OT still remain the highest quality movie making of its age. Just have a look at the movie year 1999. Matrix, Fight Club, 6th sense, Green Mile, Toy Story 2... Masterpieces which are rewatched till this day. And on the bottom of the list, TPM, the most dissapointing movie of all time. 17 years have passed and people still bash it. No movie in cinematic history have ever been THAT dissapointing.
    The problems is that TPM for instance is just so bad noone can really defend it. Every single dialogue, every single scene, every singe character decision is wrong in that movie. Nothing I repeat NOTHING in that movie makes any sense at all. Just go and watch the RLM reviews for details.

    Howard the Duck, 47 Ronin etc. those movie are indeed subjective and its only personal opinion whenever people like it or hate it.
    But the prequels are just so bad, it becomes more or less objective. Badly written, terribly acted and directed, with many contradictions with the OT.
    2 toneless, shapeless, artificial-looking video game like, borefest, and one mediocre one. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Im not saying that people shouldn't like the PT, because people like whatever they want to like. If people want to like bad movies, than ok, I have absolutely no problem with it. But this dosent alter the fact, the the PT has always been and always going to be a bunch of bad movies which tried to hide the lack of real characters or coherent screen writing under CGI and the Star Wars brand.
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    Box office does not determine film quality as you say but box office determines that the fans loved said movie or not. You can make a piece of trash movie as I stated before and if this junky movie blows records away, becomes one of the highest grossing movies of all time and it becomes super famous to the point that you can see it's mershandise everywhere and even more of the same films follow, sadly for you my friend, that means fans loved it whether you like this or not.

    You say the PTs success was based on the OT? Then what can we say about TFA which was a blatant copy of ANH to an even worst degree?

    You also say that 17 years and people still bash TPM. My friend, have you ever stopped to consider in wich age you are living? People bash EVERYTHING these days! Are you only on this SW blog or have you ever been on multiple ones throughout your life? I ask this because I grew up with the OT and I have been along ever since. At the age of the internet, years after ROTJ and before the PT, you know how many people bashed ROTJ? Do you have any idea of how many haters I have encountered threw the years? The Ewoks sucked! ROTJ was a latex puppet fest! The Sarlacc was stupid! The Rancor looked fake! The plot was stupid! The music number messed up the movie! I hate that stupid Salacious Crumb puppet with his dumb laugh! Blah blah blah. All this and more was all the junk I had to hear before the PT arrived.

    ROTJ was bashed as the movie that ruined SW and everyone disliked it. What happened after that? What did the trolls do when TPM came along? They hated the abundance of CGI effects and argued that ROTJ was way better cause it used latex and puppets. Oh the irony. What's worst, these trolls that bash Lucas for his extensive use of CGI now have to eat their words cause JJ Abrams used more CGI in TFA than Lucas did in TPM.

    Haters will hate and trolls will bash but the opinions of a select few will not take away the fact that the PT was a huge success and as I mentioned before, love it or hate it, box office results indicate how well received a movie is by the fans and no matter what anyone says that is a fact.

    Haters and trolls bashed the OT, they bashed the Special Editions and then they bashed the PT and after the dust wears off they will bash TFA too yet none of them put their money where there mouth is and they flock like zombies to brains every time something ''hated'' from SW comes along. It was these very Borg Drones who bashed TPM in 1999 and yet said Drones flocked to the movies YET AGAIN to see TPM in 3D in 2012 and they seemed to forget that this was the most trashy SW movie ever. In 13 years they didn't have the brain cells to have analyzed that said movie sucked and fans everywhere hated it and they let THE VERY SAME crappy movie make millions. IS this a strong fanbase? Does this mean that many more people love the PT more than trolls hate it? Oh no! Never in this galaxy! This is just the product of a measly minority who go to the movies about 1,000 times each so that their loved piece of garbage movie can become famous around the world.
     
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    Well he did ''Wingardium Leviosa'' their grossing profits, I saw that for Tobey, he was looking a big payout for the likes of spiderman & they said no, if Daniels does come back surely it would be a good reason.
     
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    Watched 'Fantastic Beasts' yesterday and it was a huge disappointment. The story was confusing to say the least and the characters behaved so strange throughout the whole movie. The beasts and the effects were done with a lot of effort and it almost seemed like they spend so much more time on them instead of the characters. :oops: The characters indeed looked like they did smoke the wrong stuff, or better said like a big Pirates of the Caribean
    -yep a Jack Sparrow = Grindelwald cameo at the end
    meets Harry Potter. I liked the Potter series, but this is crap and they want to make 5 movies out of it? :confused:
     
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