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Has TFA lost some of its luster since coming out on home video?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Chairman Kaga, Jul 12, 2016.

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    I don't want to really get into a point-by-point just yet, but since buying a copy of the movie the day it came out and subsequentially watching it 500 times with my kids... I don't think it holds up as well as I'd hoped. All of the plot and character deficiencies we've debated for months are adding up, but there's also just something off, especially when you watch it right after ROTJ. Tonally, I mean. For me it doesn't gel with the other 6 movies.

    Has anyone else started to feel this way? Is it just because we're old? My daughter refers to the OT as "Daddy's Star Wars" and TFA as "my Star Wars," which is damned cool. Maybe I'm just too cynical...
     
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    IN MY OPINION --- it's not a movie that will have a lasting legacy besides being the first "true" star wars movie in over 31 years ..
     
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    This might strike some as blasphemy, but in a weird way I like the prequels better. I think TFA is a better made film, but it has none of the insane energy of the prequels, and I still hate the way most of WIlliams' score is buried. I associate so many moments from the OT and PT with the music, and the only indelibel images/music moment from TFA is the Resistance attack on Takodana. Like I said, it just doesn't gel.
     
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    It still holds up for me. The whole way through I thought it looked, sounded, and felt like "Star Wars." I think the only thing that felt out of place was when Finn said "boyfriend"... I have no clue why, but I just never thought of "boyfriends & girlfriends" in the Star Wars universe. Probably because there are more than just boys and girls. But I digress...

    I think, comparatively, the pace of the movie was much faster than any other Star Wars film we've seen to date. Constant action, constant conversation, from start to finish we were left with very few moments for pause and reflection. No real time to "think" just to "process" what we're seeing. At least for me, that's what doesn't really gel with the others. Just my humble opinion!

    PS- Yes! Totally agree with your take on the music in TFA. I didn't walk away with a lasting impression of any new musical themes, other than maybe Rey's theme but mostly because it was played at the very end. Definitely no "binary sunset" moments.
     
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    Is it weird that I love it and hate it equally?!
     
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    ...the chosen one! He has brought balance to the force awakens!
     
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    Yeah, I think I feel the same way. I find Abrams' storytelling so frustrating. That's the problem I have with the film. There were so many plot and character issues that could have been avoided with a single line of dialogue or even just a tad more exposition. I do appreciate that he tried to emulate Lucas' "fill in the blanks" style, but it falls short in many instances.

    And the ONE thing that bugs me more and more is the Kylo Ren/Han Solo interaction. I get that he was mirroring the Vader/Kenobi confrontation, but this is so different. This isn't a wily upstart showing his former teacher who's the boss, but an estranged son who deliberately murders his father. That whole story needed more meat on its bones.

    A few other moments, like having Rey say, "I haven't flown this ship in years," instead of "This ship hasn't flown in years," could have smoothed out some of the questions about how she knows how to fly it so well and the information about the fuel pump problem. Or giving some indication that R2 was "waking up" when BB8 first shows up. Or implying that Rey had actively but intuitively using Force powers for years on Jakku, making her mind trick slightly less left-field. I mean, certainly not story killing problems, but little issues that after repeated viewings tend to be detractors.

    And the biggest issue... Starkiller base. "It's another Death Star." Yep, Snap. It sure is.
     
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    It's not weird that you go both ways .
     
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    Many people argued with me when I said the things that I found negative about TFA yet one of the things I said was that when the dust cleared, many would see how bad TFA was because the reason of much of it's hype was do to the PT haters. You see, many people were so angry at the PT that they just WANTED TFA to be better. The movie is just a ripoff of ANH and it offers nothing new or exciting to the saga apart that it takes our OT heroes and turns them all into failures. Luke failed as a Jedi Master, as a friend and as a family member, Han and Leia failed as parents and as a couple, the Republic failed ect. I have always said that if the PT didn't exist and we would have gotten TFA after ROTJ, many more people would have hated it and they would be saying today lots of the same things they say they hate about the PT. Love it or hate it, at least the prequels added so many cool and wonderful things to the SW story and they felt the same but sadly a cross looking lightsaber and a Death Star 3.0 just doesn't strike my fancy.
     
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    So does your mom....hahaha (jackass):D
     
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    Hey now my nickname is Gopher ;).
     
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    I wasn't a big fan of Death Star 3.0

    I feel like a few details could have been added - i.e. Specifically why R2 woke up.

    The use of music wasn't amazing. Although I really do love Rey's Theme.

    However, to me TFA was a perfect fit. It rebooted the Saga amazingly. I watch TFA at home and it feels like an original Star Wars film - I'm back in a Galaxy Far Far Away and loving every second of it. It feels like an old western film and I love that. Along with ESB, I feel like TFA was such a good re-watch factor about it. The magic is definitely still there for me.
     
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    Agree fully. Film stands up and will do I think especially after VIII and IX are released .
     
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    @Bligh, @The Hud: i never tire of watching it and the experience gets richer the more i do.
    i'm honestly bewildered when people criticize the movie to such degrees, but whatever ~ to each their own.
    i'm just thrilled to enjoy Star Wars again. it's like coming home and that feeling will never get old.
     
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    Agreed. I can watch the OT movies and TFA anytime. If anyone hasn't watched an OT movie and then followed up with TFA I highly recommend you do so. It made it even more enjoyable for me.
     
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    a iv-vii marathon is the best! watching Han's arc in particular is just amazing. and just seeing the evolution of the Empire into the FO is so cool.
     
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    Yeah it really meshes better than even I thought it would until I went and watched it. The PT used those closing scenes at the end of ROTS to try and attempt to mesh things together but it doesn't quite do it well. It feels like it is exactly what it is. A bunch of scenes put at the end to show that it is meeting up with the OT. That's one way of doing it but I don't think it's particularly the best way to.
     
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    TFA will never lose it's luster, I'm still constantly watching it, it's a movie IMO that can wind down a bad day to calmness.
     
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    :cool: too right. As you say, each to their own, but the film is what it i (stupidly successful) and for more reasons than just 'it's a new Star Wars film - because it's a fine film with a lot going for it. Is it perfect? Of course not! Doesn't need to be, just needs to be fun and enjoyable - which is what Star Wars is. Fun. Enjoyable.
     
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    when i'm feeling crappy i watch the ending first to enjoy all the angst.
    then i start it all over again and it puts me in a good mood because that opening scene with Poe always gives me a happy rush. hahaha
     
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