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Has your TLJ opinion changed dramatically over time?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by darth sputnik, Mar 28, 2018.

  1. FN-3263827

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    maybe? i dunno man. i honestly can't get wrapped up in this stuff. XD

    it's possible i don't understand what you mean by "it is a commentary".
    a commentary on what? the Force? the changeful nature of all things?
    yes, of course it is. because things don't stay the same. stasis is death.
    living things (including, presumably, the Force), need to change and grow to remain vital.
     
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    I don't get wrapped up in it, it's just fun to ruminate on things every so often lol
     
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    hahaha ~ yeah, sometimes.

    i honestly have about five minutes worth of energy for it and then i think: it's intentionally inexlicable so we can debate in circles and never conclude anything.
    the Force is basically "faith" in Star Wars. you either have it or you don't and what it can do depends on how much you believe. stands to reason people who have actually joined the living Force can do pretty much whatever the limits of their imagination can dictate--but also have the wisdom not to.

    what was it Qui-Gon Jinn said? "your focus determines your reality". that seems as true of your attitude as it is of your ability.
     
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    Commentary = Think of it as natural forest fire. Kill the old stuff (past lore) and from that, new life (new lore) grows. If he did that coincidentally, that is a helluva coincidence, but you can see how that would affect people. If you can't, well IDK what to say further.....
     
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    It's space wizards with a magical power than can do telekinesis, telepathy, mind control, super speed/jumps, precognition and create ghosts.
    Seems getting nitpicky on it can be pedantic lol
     
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    well i understand what you're saying, but i think that's taking it too literally.
    the old lore isn't dead. it's the way of thinking about the old lore that passes on.
    when people discovered the world was round and not flat, they had to burn the old thought.
    doesn't change the current geography ~ just reveals more of what's there.
     
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    Yoda informed Obi years after Qui-Gon's death that "an old friend has recently learned to (paraphrase here because I don't remember the whole line) return from the netherworld of the Force. Teach you to commune with him I will."

    That implication suggests that there is ongoing learning possible. Also Yoda seems the perfect Jedi Master to be the one whose power could cross over.
     
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    Enough of this politically correct sexism nonsense. I didn't like the character because I didn't like the character. It has nothing to due with the fact that the character is played by a women. I think Kelly Marie Tran is a fine actress, but Merryl Streep herself couldn't have made Rose Tico interesting the way she was written.
     
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    The whole force ghost thing was pretty big discovery for the Jedi. It's natural to think that as time goes by Yoda/Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon would learn and understand more about it. This also rings true for Luke. This trilogy set up for a final confrontation between Leia and her son, but maybe a final resolution for force ghosts will be brought up instead.
     
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    Then why not just say that? Why throw in the Gilmore Girls comment?
    And it's not politically correct to say don't be a sexist Scum if someone is being a sexist Scum.
    If you don't like the character fine. That happens. It's no big deal.
     
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    I always just assumed it was because Vader was surrounded by the dark side - I never got the impression it was because Kenobi chose not to interfere, but because he literally could not.

    Whatever power he has being one with the Force, he doesn't have it and can't be around a being where the dark side is strong. It cancels him out! That's my thinking anyway.
     
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    I find the whole Skywalker bloodline thing very ironic. On one hand, people assume Rey must have a special bloodline to explain her powers. On the other hand, people complain about mitichlorians because they had a biological component to the force. Does anybody else see the irony there?
     
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    Just finished the movie again. It's even better than the last time I watched it. A WORK OF ART!!!!
     
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    I think this is definitely part of Luke's message to Rey that the Force is inter-connected, contains paradox's and extremes, and is more encompassing than many comprehend.

    But if there is a message of destruction in order to build anew in TLJ I think it's secondary to the primary message of destruction being less useful/important/empowering than saving what you love.

    If anything the movie's message complements SW general approach to Force lore:
    Don't let your past define who you are.
     
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    It would also vibe with any Hindi (and Buddhist) influences on the Force - creation and destruction are normal processes conducted by Shiva (also mentioned in Indiana Jones & the Temple of Doom).

    Shiva is also described as masculine energy and Shakti (as in the Jedi Master) is described as the feminine energy - both required for....'balance'. There's also a dance element to Shiva that I think is what RJ was going for with the deleted 'Caretake Dance' scene where Rey and Luke have a bit of an argument over Luke's aloofness. But that's just me shooting the poodoo.
     
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    I have been back and forth on this movie. I did not like it in December when I saw it in the theater, but really liked it when I bought it on BluRay after I rewatched a few more times. Last weekend was my 5th viewing of the movie, and the first time I could really delve into the movie and could focus on everything. I have to be honest, I am back to not really liking the movie as the only parts that really like are the Luke/Rey parts and the ending with Luke/Kylo. The whole Finn/Rose section (which didn't bother me before) just feels too long now, and strings out the movie. I despise the character of Holdo (I don't know why Rose gets so much crap, but Holdo is a worst character, IMO) so I am not a big fan of her faceoff with Poe in the middle of the movie. The Snoke Throne Room Scene just comes off as tired at this point of the Saga as we've been there in ROTJ.
     
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    My opinion hasn’t changed much. There are things I like and things I didn’t. Space horses bad. Everything in Snoke’s throne room good.
     
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    My opinion has gone from bewilderment and uncertain disappointment on the first viewing to sadness and fear for the future for the franchise on subsequent viewings.

    Sadness and mourning are the overriding emotions with which I'm left.
     
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    I can just never consider The Last Jedi part of the Star Wars universe I grew up loving to pieces. I've been pretty forgiving with many of the cringe worthy, weirdness in much of George Lucas's films because he would counter those bad ideas with really creative, fun and beautiful ones. There was always pay off, extremely memorable moments and a 'larger than life' feeling afterwards.

    The Sequel trilogy just feels bound to Earth (more specific modern America) with it's agendas, unimaginative story(in many ways unintelligible) and unoriginal world building.

    To be honest, IMO the 'Sequel trilogy' is a huge insult to the fans that kept this franchise alive by exploring this universe deeply through books, games, show, discussions and or any attempt at original material that has came before it.
     
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    Hasn't changed much. Finn, DJ, and Rose ( I especially hate when Rose actually calls Finn a dummy right b4 she kisses him) scenes are awful everything else good. I'm hoping Finn is better in 9 still rooting for him...
     
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