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Has your TLJ opinion changed dramatically over time?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by darth sputnik, Mar 28, 2018.

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    FN-3263827 First Order, Then Pie
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    maybe? i dunno man. i honestly can't get wrapped up in this stuff. XD

    it's possible i don't understand what you mean by "it is a commentary".
    a commentary on what? the Force? the changeful nature of all things?
    yes, of course it is. because things don't stay the same. stasis is death.
    living things (including, presumably, the Force), need to change and grow to remain vital.
     
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    I don't get wrapped up in it, it's just fun to ruminate on things every so often lol
     
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    hahaha ~ yeah, sometimes.

    i honestly have about five minutes worth of energy for it and then i think: it's intentionally inexlicable so we can debate in circles and never conclude anything.
    the Force is basically "faith" in Star Wars. you either have it or you don't and what it can do depends on how much you believe. stands to reason people who have actually joined the living Force can do pretty much whatever the limits of their imagination can dictate--but also have the wisdom not to.

    what was it Qui-Gon Jinn said? "your focus determines your reality". that seems as true of your attitude as it is of your ability.
     
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    Commentary = Think of it as natural forest fire. Kill the old stuff (past lore) and from that, new life (new lore) grows. If he did that coincidentally, that is a helluva coincidence, but you can see how that would affect people. If you can't, well IDK what to say further.....
     
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    It's space wizards with a magical power than can do telekinesis, telepathy, mind control, super speed/jumps, precognition and create ghosts.
    Seems getting nitpicky on it can be pedantic lol
     
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    well i understand what you're saying, but i think that's taking it too literally.
    the old lore isn't dead. it's the way of thinking about the old lore that passes on.
    when people discovered the world was round and not flat, they had to burn the old thought.
    doesn't change the current geography ~ just reveals more of what's there.
     
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    Yoda informed Obi years after Qui-Gon's death that "an old friend has recently learned to (paraphrase here because I don't remember the whole line) return from the netherworld of the Force. Teach you to commune with him I will."

    That implication suggests that there is ongoing learning possible. Also Yoda seems the perfect Jedi Master to be the one whose power could cross over.
     
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    Enough of this politically correct sexism nonsense. I didn't like the character because I didn't like the character. It has nothing to due with the fact that the character is played by a women. I think Kelly Marie Tran is a fine actress, but Merryl Streep herself couldn't have made Rose Tico interesting the way she was written.
     
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    The whole force ghost thing was pretty big discovery for the Jedi. It's natural to think that as time goes by Yoda/Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon would learn and understand more about it. This also rings true for Luke. This trilogy set up for a final confrontation between Leia and her son, but maybe a final resolution for force ghosts will be brought up instead.
     
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    Then why not just say that? Why throw in the Gilmore Girls comment?
    And it's not politically correct to say don't be a sexist Scum if someone is being a sexist Scum.
    If you don't like the character fine. That happens. It's no big deal.
     
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    I always just assumed it was because Vader was surrounded by the dark side - I never got the impression it was because Kenobi chose not to interfere, but because he literally could not.

    Whatever power he has being one with the Force, he doesn't have it and can't be around a being where the dark side is strong. It cancels him out! That's my thinking anyway.
     
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