Has your TLJ opinion changed dramatically over time?

nope, pretty much the worse star wars movie ever. Was just watching it on tv before I came online and that movie just does not feel anything like a star wars movie. The canto scenes are jarring and really take you out of the movie. i can understand slavery in the outer rim planets but not in wealthy space last vegas with droid about.

 

Using cheap labour in luxurious holdiay destinations isn't really that unheard of in our world. Just a few months ago there were protests at Disneyland (ironic, isn't it?) caused by low wages. Here you can read more about them. Besides, if you can accept hyperdrives, what's so difficult at accepting that owners of Canto Bight might exploit child labour? You don't like the scenes set there? Fine. Whatever. What I don't understand is how you can't accept that rich people might exploit poor people, even if they seem to have sophisticated taste.

 

Really? Why not? I'd say it's quite realistic. It's because of slavery that they are wealthy.

Seems to me to be a rather accurate analogy for what happens in the real world. Even in the real world, wealth has often been built on the slavery of others. Much of the British Empire was built on it.

"Banks and insurance companies which offered services to slave merchants expanded and made cities such as London very wealthy."
(from BBC revision notes Britain and the Caribbean)

"Ports such as Glasgow, Bristol and Liverpool prospered as a result of the slave trade."
(from Importance of the slave trade to the British economy
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ETA: Looks like myself and @Pawek_13 are on the same page

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Well, Canto Bight is on an Outer Rim planet. Hope this helps to clear things up for you

 

Jack_Forest,
No, it does not, Canto Bight is home to the wealthy. Now if you know anything about rich people is that they hate to part with their money, particularly on feeding slaves when droid could do the job much better. The planets with slavery generally are pretty poor compare to canto.

Pawek_13,
You think if we had droid any rich people would bother with slavery and all the problem it can cause them. Like feeding and taking care of them and not getting as much out of them as you can with robot. Just see how already most big factories are switching to robots whenever possible to see that rich people will always use the most cost-effective means available.

Too Bob Bit, again human has used slave labor in the past because they did not have the alternative of droid tech. The moment technology allowed it people switched to robotics. In fact, this is beginning to become a serious issue where people are losing jobs to machines.

 

*cough* Clone Wars *cough* spice mines of Kessel *cough* slaves on Tatooine *cough*

*cough*

 

Exactly. Which is why they exploit people as slaves - they don't have to pay them to do work for them.

Droids cost money too. As does the energy to keep them charged.

Tatooine appears to be that way sure, but there is more than one model of slavery. Many can exist in the galaxy.

Besides, are the Hutts not wealthy crimelords?

And just because we might not directly see who benefits from slavery on Tatooine, doesn't mean somebody somewhere isn't getting wealthy from it.

 

Canto Bight is not a home to the wealthy, it's a luxury resort on a backwater planet. And everything is not run by droids is for the same reason as why the factories in Japan are more automated than factories in a country with low HDI.

 

Too Bob Bit,
You do realize that you still have to clothe and take a certain amount of care of slave and pay people to keep them in line, people to get them for you, you have to buy them and dispose of them in the end. What is it about the droid in the SW universe that suggest they are expensive? R2D2 and C3PO seem to cause a minimum of fuss in term of cost throughout their long existence. Your final point may be true just as it may be false. We do not know. But you have to admit that it is strange that a tech-savvy galaxy will prefer to use slave rather than droid. Particularly at it seems that droid tech has existed for a very long time which would mean their cost should logically be low by then.

 

You literally have to do all this or some variant of it for droids too.
They need maintenance and energy.
And many slaves are given bare-minimum clothing. But Star Wars is PG. And only natural space walrus tiddies are allowed. Not slave tiddies.

Buying and maintaining droids vs slaves.

An actual cost analysis would prove interesting. Especially if you get a droid like K2SO or R2D2 or L337 that seems more than capable of revolting

 

Jack forest So you saying that Canto Bight is poor and yet it is also a luxury resort. Remember we are talking about slavery in Canto Bight, not the planet. We do not really know about the rest of the planet.

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RoyleRancor There is no suggestion in SW that droid is expensive as even moisture farmer can afford them. They are everywhere and has been around for a long time which suggest the production cost would be low by now. Hell, even Anakin as a child built one. K2SO was a reprogrammed droid, was he not? I do not see why anyone given a choice would choose a human over a droid in such a situation as the long-term cost would always be lower for a droid. They do not need housing, clothing, sanitation, do not get tired, can be reprogrammed etc. The advantage of using droid is pretty clear.

 

You mean the droids that Owen Lars could barely afford? The ones that still meant he had to keep Luke working on the farm for another season?

Notice as well how most of the droids we see on Tatooine are on the edge of functionality? It's what you get when you can't afford the latest premium droid tech! I'd say Owen got lucky with the rebel fugitive droids. Perhaps the Jawas didn't realize their full value! Or understood there was no point pricing them too high because nobody would buy them.

Anyway, I don't know how much credence you put in all the expanded universe tech guides and whatnot, but it's certainly been established in those that droids can be costly. The R5 unit is Atromech's 'budget' version of the R2 unit.

So your problem is not with TLJ and Canto Bight but with the whole of the Star Wars saga? Okay.

 

My opinion of tlj hasn’t dramatically changed. I have watched it a few times but the more I watched it, The more I would find issues and problems. When George was at the helm he was meticulous. We fans can’t expect perfection but I think tlj was a rushed job.
A Jedi shouldn’t have any trouble with a few honor guards for one...
I wish I could change my opinion of this movie. I just can’t. If a person likes it, I’m glad for them that they like it.
Unfortunately the people in charge made a bad decision by taking the story in the direction they chose. The didn’t think of the fans. The people who purchased and read the books for 30+ years.
I hope j.j. can work his magic and save this story, but he should respect the fans opinions. Do some research and learn from previous mistakes made during the books and ep. 8.
I love Star Wars. But I can’t like tlj.

 

too bob bit
indeed, on this point yes. although in the prequel defense they give a pretty good and logical explanation for slavery on Anakin home planet. But Canto bight is rich so I do not understand the logic there. It is never explained either as opposed to the prequel.

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Owen Lars was poor as opposed to the people who run Canto Bight

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Plus thirty years have passed. Are we saying that even during this time the cost of droid has not gone down?

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The Canto Bight thing bothers me a bit because it seems to have been written just to moralize us about how bad rich people are as opposed to pushing the story forward. Which is funny as you said as the filmmakers/studio, in this case, are pretty wealthy themselves and does not have a stellar record when it comes to wage. This pushing of agenda is very jarring in this film and take you out of the movie which is supposed to be a fantastical space adventure set in the past. Maybe it's just because I hate being preached to when I go watch a movie, particularly when the people doing the preaching are hardly saints themselves.

 

pretty much all wars are fought because of economics.
someone has something and someone else doesn't. rich vs. poor.

why fixate on a relatively positive message: i.e. if you're rich, don't be a jerk to the poor. and why does it offend you so much?
and anyway it's less than 15 minutes of a 2.5+ hour runtime. that's like saying ANH is completely ruined because there's a dianoga in the trash compactor.

 

"FN-3263827, The message does not offend me as such, it just came across as being forced into the film as opposed to being organically part of the story. This is supposed to be a fantastical film. I really enjoyed the Dianoga scene in the trash compactor. It was fun. Something which the new SW movies seem to have forgotten to be.

 

I don't see anything that implies Owen could "barely afford" the droids. He seems to buy the droids on a whim from a bunch of door-to-door salesmen. However, what he can't afford to do is hire more hands, which is why he needs Luke to stay another season (although, quite honestly, I always thought that was just a line of B.S. and he was just using it as an excuse to not let Luke go off on some damn fool idealistic crusade).

I notice that most of the droids on the Jawa sandcrawler were on the edge of functionality. That's what you get when all you do is collect scrap. But most (key word: "most" not "all") droids around the Lars residence and Mos Eisley seem to be functioning quite well.

Yeah real lucky.

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There's no evidence or suggestion that keeping slaves is expensive in universe other than you claiming such.
You can't use the argument that "there is no suggestion in SW" when the same argument derails yours.
There is almost no discussion on the economics of slaves vs droids in SW.

You are picking a nit.

 

I hate the story after multi views.

I liked Benicio Del Toro's DJ and that’s about it. Hated Canto though.

Hated Rey parentage, hate no Snoke and that was not Luke Skywalker. Still waiting for him. I’d rather have se n Leia Force Choke Kylo as he flies by than Leia popping. Ackbar got the shaft.

 

RoyleRancor Picking at nit is pretty much a national pastime in SW universe. This is why The Cantina is such a vibrant place with so many posters. I doubt we would have so much post if we could not nitpick lol.