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Has your TLJ opinion changed dramatically over time?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by darth sputnik, Mar 28, 2018.

  1. Pawek_13

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    A reminder that Finn's main job used to be to scrub
    and to mop Star Destroyers. Not everyone in SW universe chooses droid over human labour and questioning their decision making is silly because it doesn't matter. At all.
     
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    My opinion of the movie hasn't really changed at all. I'm just not as worked up over it. These days I don't really look a the ST as canon, so there's also that.
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    I took the same issue with that as well. That and the fact that the supposedly in canon "before awakening" depicted finn as being in the top 1% of the elite. Its a little strange that he'd mop floors on not one, but two mega weapons from the FO. Either way, I don't think its silly to question such things.
     
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    Yeah, the whole "Finn was a Stormtrooper" thing feels much more like an afterthought than an actual story setup. Also, as usual, the EU tried a bit too hard to hype up the whole concept, which leads to some strange clashes in continuity (like with Phasma being the ultimate survivor in her book and then being unceremoniously killed off in TLJ, Rest in Pieces my beautiful chrome baby.)

    Now, to the "not caring" part - in my mind lore in Star Wars, when Star Wars is at its best, has always been on the second place to the story the authorial intent. I'm sure someone will come up with a reason why there are still sentient slaves when there are droids around but I'll always treat such information as a fun fact, nothing more. What I personally find more interesting is why a creator decided that such and such decision would benefit the story. For such a question the answer in this case is simple - it's easier to empathize with poor children than with droids.
     
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    I always felt really bad for this guy. :(:(:(

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    I seem to love it even more with each additional viewing... I can't wait to see it again...
     
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    Rationally you may have a point here, but societies , and the SW universe appears full of them, do not always act in a rational way. There could be different reasons why some societies in SW use droid servitude less or avoid it for certain tasks. For example, it may look cheap or reflect badly on you if you have an unattractive droid instead of a pretty girl or boy waiting on you... It is clear that in the SW universe there is droid discrimination. It is possible that in the more sophisticated societies, like that of Canto Bight, to be seen using too many droids as labour may look shabby or not refined enough, who knows...... And lets not forget either that slavery can be used as a punishment, to show the subdued what's their place and to control them by forced work and fear... Also for certain kind of labour, like for example squeezing into narrow passages in mines, children would probably be better than clumsy SW droids... Perhaps animals, like the fathers in Canto Bight, respond better to human children than to other species or robots...

    What i'm trying to say is that societies are complex and sometimes their functioning defies economics... Look at our own world. Is it logical for people to spend so much time inside polluting machines such as cars, using expensive fuel, blocking roads, having accidents, creating traffic chaos and delays? Couldn't humans have come up with a more rational way of travelling? Certainly, but one piece of progress led to another and now we are stuck with these illogical machines...
     
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    My opinion of the film only gets better the more times I watch it. When I first got the chance to view it repeatedly at home, I found my self skipping through a majority of the space chase sequences. Now I really enjoy the whole mutiny/pirate aspect of those particular scenes and overall have come to enjoy the entire movie as a whole much more than I already did.

    Conversely, the more times I watch TFA, the more issues I have with it for various reasons... nothing a 'Special Edition' edit couldn't fix though!


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    Every viewing makes me appreciate TLJ more. Just watched this video and thought it was great. Really digs in well to some of the narrative of TLJ.

     
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    Do anyone care about the genders of characters really ? I don't.

    I don't think that Leia or Padme were depicted as weak in the Lucas Era, why do we have to come to this ?

    Once again, it's an own american problem, the rest of the world just doesn't care if the heroes are men or women as long as the story is good.
     
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    Yes some people do care, and not just in america. Some men just dont like women being powerful or subverting male power. Leia and Padme were indeed powerful women, but they never had the relationships like TLJ had. Leia never made Han rethink how he did things.
     
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    That's one major issue for me to bring earth problems in a GFFA.

    BTW, I've never felt more on Earth than in the last movie. Dialogs were earthian as **** too.

    Maybe some people like that but I don't go to the theater to see a politcal agenda in Star Wars. I just don't care. Lando was a traitor and a man, Anakin was a falling hero and a man, Palps was a trash being and a man. Who cares ?
     
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    No, this fixation on race, gender and sexual preference is predominantly a Western problem. In our non-western country the vast majority don't care that Rey or Leia are female and from what I've seen or read from other non-western countries, none of them are fixated on that either.
     
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    I live in a western country and we just don"t care :D
     
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    One think I learned along time ago is not to speak for everyone.
     
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    It should reflect in what I see and what I hear.

    BTW, Star Wars is the very saga where it's irrelevant. Everybody loves Leia, Padme, Ahsoka and the head chief of the Rebellion is Mon Mothma. I've never heard anyone complaining about Mon Mothma being a woman.

    Keep your agenda for earth movies, there are many.
     
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    Seriously? The difference is none of them told the male leads to do something they disagreed with. How is that an agenda. Is it some sort of agenda for a man to listen to a woman?
     
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    Padme pretty much told Anakin what to do most of AOTC. When she is talking to the Queen on Naboo and Anakin is asked for his Jedi opinion, she says, “Oh, Anakin is not a Jedi.” and then dresses him down saying she knows Naboo better then he does.

    She rebuffs his kiss when they are on Naboo after he starts flirting with her.

    She scolds Anakin later in the movie for not going after Kenobi when he’s in danger. I forget the exact line but she tells him they are going to Geonosis whether they like it or not.

    I thought Padme was a very dominant character over Anakin in AOTC. The difference is nobody analyzed the movie about that perspective or cared cause that’s the way their characters were.
     
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    Who does that in the last movie ? Leia's hologram ?
     
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    Anakin suffers no consequences from Padme for disagreeing with him. What happens. Although he whines and acts childish. I mean this is a massive criticism of AOTC he gets the girl. Nothing she says or does has any lasting change upon Anakin. Embarrassing him in front of her people isnt the same as being demoted, and told to just go do your job and when you are needed you will be asked for.
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    Dont understand. Who does what? Disagree with the female characters. Watch the video it goes into many examples of this. #1 is Poe being demoted and then told to just go away soldier and do what your commanding officer tells you to do.
     
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    Poe is being demoted because he disobeyed his boss, that's it.

    Still irrelevant especially when the dude is doing a mutinery not long ago and he didn't go after Holdo because she's a woman it's because he has no clue of who she is ( on a military base of 400 people -_- )

    And Poe is slapped but every character in this movie in at one moment slapped, dragged to the floor, publicly humilated, taunted ...

    Except BB8.
     
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