Has your TLJ opinion changed dramatically over time?

This is actually a good question because I think it sheds light on why some people think she's "flying." I didn't get that feeling at all. Leia is doing a fairly simply force pull. In fact, what Leia does in The Last Jedi is more believable than what Rey does in The Force Awakens when she somehow grabs the saber.

 

That's what I originally asked and didn't get an answer to that question; there's no need to be rude. Leia's barely ever shown any Force-use abilities, so that's why I was asking. I assumed that's what I was supposed to believe what was happening, but wasn't sure.

 

Well, she supposed to keep the speed of the ship which is not pysically possible I guess but those movies are not science sensitive and never meant to be.

Even if physics change from one scene from another, I could have live with that if it was the only flaw.

The main problem is stealing emotions from the audience, Leia dying then not, Finn dying then not, Luke not dying then yes. 3 times really ? GTFO with your far fetched twists. At the end, you just don't care about what is on screen because you already have been robbed everytime.

Bad execution all the way.

 

That makes sense, but if your opinion of the film is of something you watched once almost 4 months ago and then tempered with discussion (particularly a ton of discussion in a thread specifically devoted to those who hated the film), can't you see how your own perception of the movie is likely pretty warped?

I mean, feel free to discuss it all you want, but I'd suggest giving the movie another try sometime. You might gain some new perspective, or at least be able to more fully validate your own feelings outside of the echo-chamber that is the internet.

 

My bad, your comment came off trollish. The line between trolls and legitimate questions and concerns is very blurred with TLJ and is getting hard to tell the difference between the two.

 

Well that IS pretty much what she did - and that's exactly the problem. I think almost nobody has a problem with Leia using the Force, even in this specific way. The problem is a) it looks absolutely ridiculous and b) completely undermines a big emotional moment.

On the topic of the thread:
Due to preordering 4 (expensive IMAX) tickets for opening weekend I watched it much more often than I would have liked to. After the first viewing my opinion was somewhat mixed to negative. Every time after seeing it again my opinion slightly improved at first, just because it is fairly entertaining as a standalone movie, but after thinking about it for a bit it then dropped again a while after.

What really pushed me over the edge from "dislike, but whatever" to actual furious hate was watching the various interviews and behind the scenes features.
RJ seems like a really nice guy, personally, but every time he explains his reasoning behind decisions and writing I cannot help but think he must be trolling us.
If this was a troubled production with 5 different writer/directors who had to work in a real time crunch then fine, but the fact that this is apparently exactly the movie everyone involved with it wanted to make just makes me fear for the future of Star Wars. I mean, just on a technical surface level there is so much bad, borderline unfinished CGI and prequel level green screen in this movie. They locked in the finished movie 2 months before release but couldn't spend a few more days for rendering or some pickup shots? JJ was doing pickups literally in his backyard at Bad Robot a week before the world premiere of TFA!

 

If you go back to my original post on this thread, you'll find that I'm not discounting watching it again at some point. I have no desire to pay for it again, but if it comes to Netflix, I'd most likely give it another go.

 

Can you give examples of the bad PT quality cgi green screens in TLJ? because I don't see it and I have good eyes too. CGI looks terrible and stands out pretty bad when I watch the PT on my 4k tv. TLJ acutally looks very well on my 4k tv. I'm honestly asking because even among the haters, they agree that TLJ visually looks good.

 

I didn't have an issue with the visuals, though I've heard some people criticize the parts where Finn and Rose rode out of Canto Bight. If or when I get around to re-watching it, I'll be curious to see that part again. I have seen screen shots and though probably some of the weakest visuals of the movie, I don't think it would be enough to get me out of the experience on its own.

 

+1 +1 +1 That's how I feel. Even on first viewing, I understood what she was doing; using a Force pull but due to difference in mass it was she (and not the ship) who moved.

As you state, the problem is it looks completely ridiculous. What should have been an epic moment of Leia demonstrating her proficiency with the Force instead made every single person watching think "Mary Poppins."

 

This is an odd complaint since the film's visual FXs were universally praised and in fact were nominated for an Oscar. Also, The Force Awakens production schedule was much tighter. That's why JJ was working on it right before release. The Last Jedi release was pushed back a few months to be a December release. There was plenty of time to finish before the release.

 

I get that and I can see why some people may think that. How would you make the force pull be executed better? As in everything stays the same and she's floating in space. Change her angle? It doesn't personally bother me but I can see why it would to other people.

 

An entire version of TLJ with no talking and just John Williams music? Sounds like a dream come true! I'll probably watch some version of it again in the future.

 

This is not a question I can really answer as I would not have had her floating in space in the first place, but if I had to... First thing I would do is make it less of a drawn out, slo-mo scene. Going in Superman style probably doesn't work either. I'd say (if I had to do this) then she could have used the Force to pull something like some wiring or cables toward her. Then grab onto those and pull herself back in.

 

The first time I saw TLJ, I left the theater feeling very conflicted, and disappointed. Since then, I have liked the film more and more every time I have seen it. I am really growing to love this movie! I am looking forward to watching it again this weekend. It is still way to early to rank it against the other films, but I have a feeling that when I do rank it, it will do well.

 

I forced myself to sit through it a second time since seeing it in the theater now that it's out on video.

- and no, my opinion hasn't changed. To me, it is still the biggest wasted opportunity in film history. It's truly awful.

I have confidence that any one of us on this forum would have made a better movie.

 

My opinion itself hasn't changed much over time, but the confidence I have in my opinion has most definitely changed.

I'd be lying if I said there was never a time where I stopped and thought to myself, "Do I REALLY love this or am I just creating interpretations that aren't really there to force myself to like it?" Of course, interpretation is everything but at times I would wonder if I was just forcing myself to see things a certain way to make myself feel better, but then once the commentary/documentary came out, I realized that a ton of my interpretations were in line with what Rian was actually going for and it made me feel so much better.

 

They hyperbole in the opinions of people who don't like this film is hilarious. If this was something that was rarely happening I'd just ignore it, but it seems to be a common theme.

FWIW this is someone who has mixed feeling about the film. It's not simply enough to not like the movie. This is like a religious crusade for some people. The best way to get ignored is make silly hyperbolic statements.

Sorry @cassidy, The Last Jedi isn't the biggest wasted opportunity in film history. Also, no one in this forum could make a better movie. Thanks though for the laugh.

 

+1. TLJ had an opportunity unprecedented in the history of film: taking a character who is arguably the most well known, beloved hero in the history of cinema and continuing his story 30 years later.

The potential for new adventures, new experiences, and character advancement were limitless. What we got was beyond pathetic. A completely wasted opportunity and, as you wrote, perhaps the biggest wasted opportunity in cinematic history.