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Have Disney Secretly Canonised The Force Unleashed

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Darth Board, Feb 19, 2016.

  1. Darth Board

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    I think it would make sense, the fact that it's now thought of as being non canon could serve as a pretty effective cloak for their plans - ie that Snoke will turn out to be Vaders apprentice Galen Marek. Have Disney already been hinting at this - is the force that was unleashed, perhaps now the force that has awakened. Was Starkiller base really Starkiller's base?

    Was Marek resurrected by the Emperor, is that what Snokes theme is really alluding to - not Plagueis directly but his power of necromancy as told in the tale, a power that Palpatine learned and later implemented. Resurrection got me thinking of the supposed Christian themes in Star Wars and I suddenly realised that 3 of the evangelists could indeed be interpreted as being present in Star Wars.

    One, Luke, is directly referenced, while two others Matthew/the Angel and John/the Eagle are indirectly represented by the Jedi force ghosts and the Sith imperials. To even things up there would need to be a dark side acolyte called Mark who emerges after the fall of the Sith, just as Luke emerged after the fall of the Jedi. If I'm right and as the names Mark and Marek are interchangeable, we might very well get him in the form of Snoke.

    The name Snoke is essentially the Swedish word for snake, snok. It is interesting then that Starkiller's first name Galen is most widely known as the name of an Ancient Greek physician and philosopher who influenced Western medical practice for more than a thousand years. Healing and healers are famously represented by the snake entwined rod of Asclepius, and indeed there is a famous statue of the aforementioned Galen with that snake symbol of healing depicted behind him.

    Edit: I forgot to mention that Mark/Marek means warlike and that the evangelist was represented by a Lion which can symbolise resurrection. The evangelist Luke which means light giver was represented by a Bull, a symbol of sacrifice, service and strength.
     
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    Isn't Mads Mikkeksens character in Rogue One supposedly called Galen? Apparently a scientist or engineer who helped construct the Death Star and then regrets it an enlists the help of his rebel daughter to take it down...
     
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    I noted here also that it was ironic that Galen Marek was referred to as Star Killer, and the base was also called Star Killer. It could be just a coincidence (which I suspect now is the case) because it's hard to reconcile the assertion that Snoke is very old and witnessed the rise of the Empire and it's fall. The Galactic Empire arose right in RoTS, I don't think Galen was around for that. Vader finds him some time later and begins training him... and while Snoke is humanoid, I'm not sure he's actually human.

    Would be interesting to see Galen represented on the screen though, because, he honestly seemed like one of the most powerful Force users ever... maybe the strongest ever...

    ...hey... what if Galen Marek was Rey's grandfather? That would be interesting and explain alot.
     
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    Rey Merek
     
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    While The Force Unleashed was somewhat enjoyable, I don't think it will ever be canonized. The point of the game was to essentially act as wish fulfillment for the player, giving them access to ridiculously overpowered force abilities, which is one of the things that made the game enjoyable for many. However, the exaggerated nature of Starkiller's abilities in TFU actually hurt the game's case for being considered canon. Even in the previous EU/Legends continuity Starkiller's abilities seemed overblown, and the fact that he ends up beating down both Vader and the Emperor in the game makes it seem more like a badly written fan fiction story than one that fits smoothly into the narrative of the greater Star Wars universe.

    Another strike against the game being made canon is the fact that in the game we find out that the Rebel symbol is in fact the Starkiller family crest, however in interviews for the Star Wars Rebels TV show Dave Filoni states that the starbird symbol that Sabine likes to spray paint on various pieces of Imperial property is an early version of what became the Rebel symbol.

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    The use of the name Starkiller for Starkiller base was simply a reference to early drafts of the Star Wars script where Luke was called Luke Starkiller instead of Luke Skywalker. Same inspiration that they used for name Starkiller in TFU.
     
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    Not just the early drafts.....even the fourth draft names him as such....both, actually:

    39 EXT. TATOOINE - ROCK CANYON FLOOR - DAY 39

    Artoo forces himself into the shadows of a small alcove in
    the rocks as the vicious sandpeople walk past carrying the
    inert Luke Starkiller, who is dropped in a heap before the
    speeder. The raiders ransack the speeder, throwing parts
    and supplies in all directions. Suddenly they stop. Then
    everything is quiet for a few moments. A great howling moan
    is heard echoing throughout the canyon which sends the sand-
    people fleeing in terror.
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    89 INT. DEATH STAR - CELL ROW 89

    Luke stops in front of one of the cells and blasts the door
    away with his laser pistol. When the smoke clears, Luke sees
    the dazzling young princess-senator, standing before him with
    an uncomprehending look on her face. Luke is stunned by her
    incredible beauty, and stands staring at her with his mouth
    hanging open.

    LUKE
    You're even ... more beautiful ...
    than I

    Luke doesn't go on and there's another pause as she stares at him.

    LEIA
    (Finally) Aren't you a little short
    for a stormtrooper?

    Luke takes off his helmet, coming out of it.

    LUKE
    What? Oh ... the uniform. I've come
    to rescue you. I'm Luke Skywalker.

    During filming, Hamill says his character was named Starkiller up until the Detention block scene when he actually states his last name.
     
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    Yep. I think Starkiller is most a tribute to the OT than anything else...
     
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    Mark Hamill's original line during Princess Leia's escape is "I'm Luke Starkiller, I'm here to rescue you". Ultimately it was decided that Luke's last name should be Skywalker so they reshot it. Mark's mentioned it a few times.
     
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    In a trailer for TFU 2 I believe Vader has a room full of Starkiller clones .pretty much, from what I remember, every time one turned "good," Vader would simply take another clone . He only way he could be Anoke is if one of the clones escaped and never turned good .
     
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    Well, I accept that the story of TFU probably won't be canonised in it's entirety but I still think they may use the character Galen Marek and some aspects of his story/character as told in TFU. Rogue One(wasn't Mareks ship called Rogue Shadow) could very cleverly be serving as a set up for ANH and the ST.

    Edit: And now we have Shadow Troopers confirmed - yet another nod to TFU.
     
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    Never occurred to me until now that the crest looks like the incomplete Death Star. Where's my tin foil hat.
     
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    It would be cool if it turns out Vader did have a secret apprentice, but when Vader found out he had a son he decided to dispose of his apprentice and thought him dead, but it turns out his apprentice survived somehow and fled to the unknown regions or some place else. We learn later that it was Snoke.
     
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    That would be amazing
     
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