Help answer my friend's questions

With all due respect, why do people keep playing the JJ awakened SW card? That would have worked in the time after the OT when SW has lain dormant for many years but after Lucas gave us the Special Editions, SW has been an all powerful non-stop force and it has been everywhere. Movies, toys, video games, novels, books, comics, cosplay conventions, roleplaying games you name it. Many times when I see someone make an argument about how bad TFA was, someone says that what JJ Abrams did was revive SW. There was no need to have a new start when things were going along just fine and if the pressure on JJ was indeed extraordinary, he did a bad job by not coming up with anything original and just giving us a carbon copy of ANH. The guy had the whole SW galaxy in his fingertips and he did nothing new but make a copy of everything that came before. I have no problem with anybody liking TFA, but I disagree with the saying that SW needed someone to revive it.

 

I agree as I also have wondered where do fans get the idea that Star Wars needed reviving. SW has been going on strong for years and it didn't need a rehash. An awesome movie like Rogue One would have kept the ball rolling just fine instead of ANH 2.0.

 

It really doesn't matter if you're the best solider in the unit ( CAN'T RECALL WHAT YOUNG ADULT BOOK ILLUSTRATES THAT FINN WAS AN ELITE SOLDIER IN HIS UNIT BUT LOOK IT UP ON WOOKIEPEDIA), which Finn is; he saw his battle buddy die on the battlefield and he left his blood on his helmet, (the same book I mention goes into detail of their friendship), your morals will overcome you on the battlefield (it has happened to me several times). Finn wasn't scared, he just felt what he was doing was morally WRONG. From my experience in the army, you don't just blindly take orders without thinking about them first. Jyn tells Casin Andor this in Rogue One A Star Wars Story (which is in my option a real Star WARS film), If you just take orders, that you know are WRONG then you are just a STORMTROOPER.

I like Darth Vader just as much as any other Star Wars fan, but I love the heroes more. I've noticed that many fans really love the bad guys(Kylo Ren for example). In my line of work, I have to take down the bad guys everyday, so I appreciate the heroes like Luke and Finn. I was really amazed to see Finn leave the ranks of the FO because he knew he was on the WRONG team and he wanted to RUN. OB1 tells Luke to RUN spiritually on the Death Star. Sometimes on the battlefield you have to be wise enough to know when to RUN or if you're the last hope of the galaxy then the battle is over, live to fight another day...

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Why didn't they detect? you say.... heheh; We are not Jedi, we can't read anyone's mind, or state of being especially in training or in the academy. Do you know how many crooked soldiers, and police officer, perform well in training or boot camp and later discover they are not worthy to be in the corps... MANY. Most of the times, its when a great trained soldier or officer is on the battlefield or ghetto/salty locations around the world do they ask themselves WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING HERE, I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR THIS... hahah, not everyone is built for WAR or shall I say most people wake up and realize they made a WRONG decision. Unfortunately, for Finn he wasn't able to make that choice he was drafted at birth.

"You have great potential, 2187. You are officer corps material. Your duty is to the First Order above everything. Nothing else comes before that." -CAPTAIN PHASMA

How many times have I pulled a rookie officer when a Captain gives a BS order.... many.

 

Great post Rogues1138.

 

I think a lot of the reasoning behind it is that the prequels were not universally well-received, so by "reviving" the franchise I'm guessing it's another way of saying bringing it to the forefront for the quality of movie product as opposed to merchandising

Though I liked the prequels, so meh.

Just a thought

 

I get what your saying my friend. Funny though how many PT hates can't seem to accept that TFA wasn't universally well-received either.

 

Very true, again I thought TFA was great - but I'm not short sighted enough to see why many others had issues with it (hey, I had my own issues too)

 

TFA was/is disliked by a lot of fanboys as it didn't meet their expectations and was seen to rip off large chucks of the original trilogy.

However, as a piece of film making it is head and shoulders above the prequels, and therefore has a broader appeal. Which was obviously the intention of JJ and Disney. The acting, dialogue, directing, pacing and cinematography are all superior to the prequels, it feels like a modern action movie.

The idea was to grab people who loved the spirit of the original films and those who had never seen or experienced a Star Wars movie. I think it achieved that.

 

Completely wrong. Lucasfilm was decreasing in size and couldn't finance projects such as the Star Wars Underworld.

Lucasfilm was eventually going to run out of pocket without Star Wars.

Precisely. I was born in the 90's and grew up with the Prequels. I go to the cinema a lot and have seen many films.

But I can hand on my heart say that The Force Awakens was the greatest cinematic experience of my life. Nothing compares. No one can take away those emotions.

 

TFA isn't even worthy of being called a "new" or "original" SW film. It is nothing more than a blatant ripoff and reboot of ANH with an identical storyline and character arc. Why else would Disney keep TFA so secret and its novel embargoed until after its day of initial release?

Anyone who thinks TFA is a good or original film is a moron and probably enjoys crappy DC/Marvel superhero and Fast And The Furious films which are all killing real cinema.

 

No Problem. I can understand your arguments and therefore I say it with other words: Yes I liked TFA.
I had huge weights to carry around the last few years, therfore I have just enjoyed to sit in the theatre with my son and watch a SW movie.
My expectations in live as whole dropped down with years.
I am happy to be alive, to be in good health condition most of the time and watch a SW movie every year.
Perhaps it would have been more adequate if I would have posted, that for ME IN PERSONAL, JJ. has pushed my interrest in SW stuff again.
Although I have watched Clone Wars and the PT films, TFA gave ME more of the OT touch.

So I will look forward with a good feeling and enjoy the next movies and I will try to always start my post with "my personal point of view is..". But I am afraid that my posts will always be subjectiv in a way. No worries @Amanaman !

 

I give up. I am sorry but calling a person "a moron" just because he or she likes a film that you don't like and call them names is just wrong. Yes, I do like TFA very much. Yes, I like Marvel films. I like seeing blockbusters. Do you I think I am trying to kill "real" cinema? You are gravely mistaken. I go to cinema at least once a week to see a new release, either independent or big-budget, regardless of their country of origin. Since the start of the year I saw eleven new releases, of which only one was a blockbuster (Logan.) Each week I also watch a film that is considered to be a classic because of its inventive storytelling, impeccable acting or its greatness despite a low budget. Just because most of the films that I put onto my list of the most anticipated films of 2017 are backed by huge studios doesn't mean I won't go out and see minor releases. They simply aren't marketed that well and do not have their release dates set that far in advance. So please excuse me while I continue my quest to "kill real cinema."

 

You know, it's funny that you would mention that TFA was not liked by ''fanboys'' because it didn't meet their expectations when this has always been the reason why PT haters bash the prequels. Then you say that said movie is above the prequels which I strongly disagree and this is not because I disliked TFA but because it is a ripoff of an already excellent movie. How then can you rate something like that and say it is better than something else? If you were to compare Rogue One to the prequel movies and say you find it better than this one or that one I can say you have a valid argument as RO was indeed an original movie and you are judging it by it's own merits but to copy a beloved movie and say its better?

Alien is an excellent movie that is widely acclaimed by many sci fi and horror fans all over the world. So suppose I make a carbon copy of Alien but I use SW characters, can I really then say that said movie is much better than Rogue One or Return of the Jedi? How about TESB which is considered by many SW fans the greatest movie of the saga? If episode 8 is a carbon copy of TESB, can we really say that it's better than ROTS, RO or ANH? I think not. This has nothing to do with ''fanboys'' liking or disliking a movie on it's own merits but fans trying to say that a carbon copy of a classic is better than this or that.

 

I really don't think Amanaman meant any harm by his comment Oldbert because I too have dealt with people saying the whole ''JJ revived SW'' thing which isn't true.

 

Can you back that up with proof? Ever since I could remember, there have been many SW projects that have been cancelled along the long years that SW has been around. Be it TV series, toys, games ect it that never meant that Lucasfilm was going down. So if you if you can show valid proof of your statement and not just some random blogger or youtuber than I will gladly accept your words as correct otherwise you are just giving your opinion and nothing more.

 

You're completely outvoted pal. TFA was a hit and blew millions of people away. People loved it. Little children loved it. Grown adults loved it. Every age-range loved it. I loved it.

How on earth can you be so narrow minded to believe that someone's perception of a film makes them a moron? This is one of the most silly and uneducated statements I've read on this forum.

Go to the dark corner of the room where you and your minority of friends can be miserable and complain about everything.

 

in december 2015 when TFA came out, it was ten years since the last SW movie appeared on screen... so yes, a kind of "reviving"

Sorry Amanaman (bis ), but you slightly misrepresented what Jessica actually said: she said that technically TFA is above TPM/AOTC/ROTS, she says that refers to "the acting, dialogue, directing, pacing and cinematography" ... and I agree with her

+1
That kind of judgment closes the door for discussion, everyone in this world is free to like/dislike whatever he wants - without having to refer to someone else.
The one who uses that kind of statement actually misses a relevant argument - this is why he uses an insult

 

Of course. Scripts and plots were already created... the money was the issue. See below:

Source: Wookiepedia http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Underworld
"At a 2010 screening of The Empire Strikes Back in Chicago, Illinois, [George] Lucas announced that the series was "on hold" due to budget concerns."

Source: Rebel Scum Star Wars News http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/TESB_30th_Anniversary_Screening_131186.asp
Question: How are things going with the live action TV show?
Answer: The live action TV show is kind of on hold because we have scripts, but we don't know how to do 'em. Because, they literally are Star Wars, only we're going to have to try to do them...a tenth the cost. And, it's a huge challenge...lot bigger than what we thought it was gonna be." - George Lucas

Source: Star Wars Official Youtube Channel

"I'm doing this so that the films [& Lucasfilm with it's employees] can have a longer life" - George Lucas
If LucasFILM isn't making films then there's a serious business problem. Before being sold to Disney the last film to be independently produced by Lucasfilm was "Red Tails"; which was negatively received. The budget of Red Tails was; $58 million. What did Red Tails internationally earn? $50.4 million... a loss of $7.6 million.

Lucasfilm needed a cash injection.

 

Sorry my friend but you are wrong about your reviving theory. ROTJ came out in 1983 and it wasn't until 1997 that we got the special editions. In between that timeframe, SW was for all purposes dead. There were no toys, comics, books, magazines, games or anything SW being produced and it wasn't until 1991 that Timothy Zahn and Dark Horse Comics became responsible for SW being revived with the Thrawn Trilogy novels and the Dark Empire comics. From that moment on SW has been non-stop with no sign of slowing down. From that moment on the video games, books, toys and everything else has been flowing by huge quantities and even after the PT we got the CW animated series, the CGI series and then we got Star Wars Rebels which has been running to this date even before TFA hit the movie screen. For something to be ''dead'' and in need of being ''revived'' there has to be no trace of said frachise and not just a movie not being made.

Take the DC Comcs Flash character as an example. Flash hit the screens back in 1997 and hasn't done so from that moment. His comics are selling well, he has been in many animated series, toys, games, cloths and even a live action TV series. Flash has a HUGE fanbase. So can I really say that Flash needs to be revived just because he hasn't had a movie out? No I can't because that logic is flawed. Flash needs no ''reviving'' and neither did Star Wars.

On your comment about Jessica you tell me that she says that refers to "the acting, dialogue, directing, pacing and cinematography'' and that you agree with her but then you say that everyone in this world is free to like/dislike whatever he wants and I agree with this but you are the one who seems to be missing that very same point. Just because you agree with her that doesn't make your point more valid. It is just an opinion and you are defending Jessica's by going against mine. Look at her words:

She states that TFA is way above the PT. Like it or not my friend this is just an opinion which many fans agree and many others disagree.

 

Excellent Bligh. I love it when fans stand up and give proof to their words with facts. I stand corrected and humbly would give you a candy bar as a token of your victory if I only knew were you lived.