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SPECULATION HOLD ON!! DID HAN ACTUALLY TURN THE LIGHTSABER ON?!!

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Sithwalker, Feb 28, 2016.

  1. Sithwalker

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    I read something that it might've happened, hence Kylo's "THANK YOU"

    WHAAAAAAAT?!!!!!

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    Well, that's a good theory indeed. One might argue that Han knew that that was the only way for Kylo to "see" and redeem himself....it COULD be used as a plot device in his redemption. It would be a great twist in VIII that would be leaving the audience with a "WHAT!?!?" when it's revealed. Good thinking! ;)
     
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    I initially gave this theory some thought, but then ended up thinking it wasn't likely for a few reasons. The main one being Han Solo would never commit suicide.

    Also, when I had a listen to what Julien Smirke Associate Editor on TFA, had to say about it in the Steelewars podcast Ep 77, that kinda confirmed the angle I thought they were going for with that scene. http://steelewars.com/ if ya interested.
     
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    no, i don't believe he did.

    sorry, but it seems pretty clear that Kylo Ren ignites the lightsaber and thrusts it, twice.
    if Han had lit it himself, it would be especially peculiar for Ren to react by stabbing him with it.

    i'd like nothing better than to believe that Han pressed the button to spare him, but i can't see that it's possible.
    i watch this scene particularly every time i go see it, and can't objectively come to any other conclusion.

    also, the novel and the script don't leave any room for interpretation:
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    I hope we'll know what was the problem between Ben and Han Solo because it seems that there is a lot untold.

    Kylo ren looked to be pissed a lot about Han Solo during the movie.
     
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    Nah.
    "Thank you" was for the fact Han Solo offered to do "anything" for Ben.
    You know the rest.
     
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    Nop. He did not. At least based on the novel and the script it is stated that it was Kylo Ren the one who did it.

    1. From the Script:
    "(...) KYLO REN: I know what I have to do, but I don't know if I have the strength to doit. Will you help me?

    Han hears his son's voice again, pained and vulnerable.

    HAN: Yes. Anything.

    Kylo Ren unholsters his lightsaber and SLOWLY EXTENDS IT to Han, within a foot of Han's chest. Han almost can't believe it. The moment seems to last forever. And just then, the LAST BEAM OF SUNLIGHT streaming through the open hatch VANISHES. Han actually smiles -- and reaches out for the dark weapon -- but with the light now gone, KYLO REN'S EYES FILL WITH DARKNESS, HE IGNITES THE LIGHTSABER -- THE FIERY BLADE SHOOTS OUT, RIGHT THROUGH HAN'S CHEST AND BACK! (...)"

    2. From The Force Awakens novelization:

    "(...) "I know what I have to do, but I don't know if I have the strenght to do it." Ren move out onto the walkway toward Han. "Will you help me?"
    "Yes" Han told him. "Anything."
    Halting an arm's length from his father Ren unclipped his lightsaber, looked down at it for a moment, and then extended it toward Han. For an instant that seemed to extend into forever, nothing happened. Smiling Han reached for the weapon. Then, as the light from outside was fully blocked by the flow of descending, accummulating dark energy, Ren ingnited the lightsaber -- and fiery red beam lanced outward to pierce Han's chest from front to back (...)"

    May the Force be with us, always
     
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    you ruined my day guys :( I actually believed the theory :(

    but

    I guess



    THANK YOU
     
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    Look at it this way. Han had to know there was a chance things could go bad when he initially called out to Kylo and went to face him on the bridge. But he was prepared to take that risk on the chance he could connect with his son and reunite his family. There is a subtle, but powerful, distiction between this and Han killing himself for his son.
     
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    @Sithwalker:

    @Empire Jo is right: Han still did sacrifice himself. he knew the chances of getting Ben off that bridge were not in his favor, but he had to try.
    and he forgave his son ~ and you gotta hope that's going to go a ways to ultimately saving him.
     
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    "Ben!"

    "Han Solo. I've been waiting for this day for a long time."

    "Take off that mask. You don't need it."

    "What do think you'll see if I do?"

    "The face of my son..."

    :( oooh the agony.
     
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    There is no better post that can explain this more better.What father will no do ANYTHING for saving and helping his son?I have watch a lot of movies in my life but that scene in this movie WAS so powerful.One of the BEST scenes is ALL SW movies.
     
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    I wonder if it might have been better if the storytellers either did not clarify, allowing us to wonder if "Han shot first" one last time or not, or if they went ahead and had Han push the button.

    As shown above, the novelization really leaves no doubt.

    The screenplay (the final version of which came later and is considered more canonical than the novelization -- citing Pablo there) excerpted above appears to have some less than perfect grammar going on (which is not all that uncommon in screenplays). While "HE" seems almost certainly to be referencing Kylo, it is arguably somewhat dangling in the larger context of the sentence (i.e. there are two men in this scene).

    Either way, Han's sacrifice was powerful. Hopefully it was meaningful and will somehow positively influence Ben's character arc later in the story.

    JediMasterRobert
     
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    I would go further and claim Han knew his attempt to bring Ben home would be a lost cause. He likely knew he was a dead man the moment he said Ben's name aloud - and chose this path anyway.

    Script:

    LEIA "I want him back."
    HAN "There was nothing we could have done.There was too much Vader in him."
    ...
    HAN "We lost our son, forever."
    ...
    LEIA "We can still save him. Me. You."
    HAN "If Luke couldn't save him, how could I?"
    ...
    LEIA "If you see our son, bring him home."​

    Lessons:
    • Don't send dad on peace mission to angry rebellious son with dad issues. Especially when mother is around and when a mother's love is much more likely to succeed.
    • Trust you're own judgment and intuition.
    • Never accept the dirty work that other people will delegate down a hierarchy but won't do themselves.
    Edit: I should probably note that his sacrifice may be responsible for keeping a spark of light burning and gnawing away inside his son. It may even yet prevail...
     
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    I also do think that it's a possibility but remember that Han Solo has always been selfish and ---I'm paraphrasing here--- he says something like, "I look out for one person...ME!" in one of The OT movies. Now, of course it would be the ultimate sacrifice for Han Solo to kill himself for his kid and be the ultimate redemption for both Han AND Kylo (eventually) but Han also looked extremely shocked and surprised when he was stabbed if I remember correctly. If he had indeed sacrificed himself, then he'd most likely be at-peace in his eyes when the saber is ignited...id say his theory has a 35% chance of being true .
     
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    sounds like ford reaaaaly didn't want to play the role anymore. ;)
     
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    Sorry my friend. I didn't mean to bring you down...

    I agree 100% with Empire Jo's post. And one more thing...I think we should see that scene from Han Solo's point of view. For me is about Han's redemption. The guy who walked away of his troubled family trying to forget how his son turned to the dark side; but that in the end he gave his life trying to bring back his son, without any kind of recriminations or resentment. He spoke to his son with love and the truth from the bottom of his heart. Even when Kylo killed him, tenderly touched his face and died in peace with him. This act of love took Kylo by surprise, in the Script and the novel is stated that far from feeling stronger, he was confused and weakened by his horrible crime...

    May the Force will be with us, always
     
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    Pay close attention to when the lightsaber is ignited. Watch Kylo, his eyes are full of anger and then it looks as if he thrusts forward. That is why this theory is false.
     
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    This is how threads end,
    (epic fail)
    in silence.
     
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    Lets just watch it again
     
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