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How and when does Snoke turn Kylo Ren

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Derth Nadir, Dec 4, 2015.

  1. Derth Nadir

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    We know that Snoke is pivotal in turning Kylo to the Dark Side, but when and where did he do it. I don't think it is that clear from the shooting schedule, which also seems to have some scenes out of order despite being labeled.
    Did Snoke influence Kylo while he was being trained by Luke? How was he able to do this? Was he there on the planet? Or was Kylo kidnapped as some suggest and was brainwashed into joining the Knights somewhere else?

    PS. I don't think this belongs in any other single thread and I couldn't find one that it did fit. This is about both Kylo and Snoke's motives.
     
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    Perhaps won't know until the movie is seen?
     
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    Kylo maybe was turned away by Luke after he asked him if he would turn to the darkside after his dad Vader did Luke refuses to discuss it further so Kylo took the mask that Luke probably secretly took from Endor but as to how Kylo met Snoke & what planet it happened I prefer to be surprise on movie night.
     
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    we know Snoke is pivotal? How do we know this?
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 4, 2015, Original Post Date: Dec 4, 2015 ---
    this is what I am leaning at
     
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    Glad you agree, I couldn't bare to watch another opera like scene '' did you hear about the tragedy of Darth Vader the chosen one''.(emperor)(dark)
     
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    Serkis said this to Empire magazine: “I will say this one spoiler-y thing: he was critical in the seduction of Ren to the dark side. he is a hugely important part of the story and will continue to be.”
     
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    It's a sleepover round at Phasma's place.
     
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    I'm asking for speculation. I know we won't know until we see the movie or it leaks.
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 4, 2015, Original Post Date: Dec 4, 2015 ---
    If Kylo leaves with the helmet, then I would say Snoke isn't that critical to his turning since he has already chosen that path. I think Snoke has to have seduced Kylo to the Dark Side based on what Serkis said. I also don't believe Luke would take the mask of Vader. The point was to symbolically burn away Vader.
     
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    Did Andy Serkis not say that Snoke was pivotal in turning Kylo?
     
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    I don't think it will be shown on screen, but I bet written n books of how though. Although maybe it is in a flashback, not sure. I'm certainly interested to know though.
     
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    Yes. That is my point. I'm disagreeing with Galen's scenario. Kylo had to have had some contact with Snoke to get him to turn in the first place based on what Serkis said.
     
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    Well I think when he lit the pyre all should have been burnt I think he saw the mask among the ashes he touched it felt something in the force & felt the mask was key to something in the future.
     
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    all we will see in this movie is an already dark kylo, with possibly a flashback to his "coming out party".

    His seduction will hinge on a motivation, but will not be shown to us explicitly in any of the 3 films, i believe.
    He is a way better villain w/o that. Just as vader was. (Runs and hides)
     
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    Wasn't JJ who said that?
     
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    Snoke be like, "Have you ever heard the story of Darth Plagueis, the Wise?"
     
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    It was JJ that said it I believe and I got the impression from the statement that it was part of the Backstory. I don't think that it will be IN the movie but apparent in the film.
     
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    Sidious told that story to Anakin, I don't think our fans want a reminder but it would be interesting on how Snoke explains it if mentioned.
     
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    I guess it happened somwhere between ROTJ and TFA.

    That would be awesome :p And if Snoke is Plagueis it is even more intriguing
     
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    Whoever Snoke is, will lead us to who Luke Skywalker is now. Grand Master Galen Malek is on to something that I think will be revealed in EP8, through the story of Snoke and his relaionship to Kylo Ren, and that is, who is Luke Skywalker? There is only two hours and so many minutes to this film, and I don't think those questions will be answered in this first episode.
     
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    If Vaders armor was made of some compound more durable than "earthly known plastics" a simple wood fire does not burn hot enough to even completely cremate human remains. It takes a air induced blast furnace plu grinding the bone/teeth to completely turn remains to ash. Another example is forging steel- air induced with bellows and burning coal or charcoal. We saw Vader block blaster bolts from Solo in ESB and take glancing blows from Lukes lightsaber in ROTJ.

    The question remains tho of how Kylo Ren has Vaders mask. Did he go tothe forest moon of Endor and retrieve it? Maybe the creepy grave robber guy-possibly the one in the background in the KoR shot in the rain? Who knows if it will be addressed in the TFA or even the ST? My guess is TFA will not address it but ep 8 or 9 may.

    As far as Snoke and Kylo go my best guess is Snoke and the KoR attack Lukes academy the kill everyone except Kylo. Rey and Maz either escape or not there. Obviously Luke is way doing stuff and things. Snoke senes hate/anger/fear dark side tendencies in the boy and spares him. Snoke and the KoR train him. In a later scene we see a grown Kylo take command (possibly under Snoke) of the KoR. I think the flashback sequence will have a few years time flash forward progression.
     
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