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SPECULATION How Can IX Put the Galaxy in a Better Place than ROTJ?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by cawatrooper, Apr 10, 2018.

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How Will IX Bring Peace to the Galaxy?

  1. "Balance of the Force"

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  2. Unification- Extra-galactic threat

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  3. Unification- First Order Civil War

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  4. Unification- Interplanetary Independence

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  5. Sequel- Have another trilogy finish the war

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  6. There will not be a happy ending for the Rebellion/ The Rebellion will lose

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  7. Other

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  1. cawatrooper

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    One possible ending of this trilogy is for it to have a happy one, and it's quite possible that's the most likely ending as well. I'm sure there will be sacrifice and loss, but I think personally that it's likely that we'll get closure on the story in a more positive way.

    One thing that really sticks out to me, though, are the obvious parallels to ROTJ. I don't fear that we'll just repeat that story (since, if anything, a lot of the story beats were subtly echoes in TLJ already) but I still wonder about the results. Sure, the First Order may fall. Sure, Kylo Ren might die or be redeemed.

    But we've already seen that. And clearly, it didn't last long.

    So, in an effort to try and brainstorm how IX could bring peace to the galaxy, I've come up with a few options:

    1. "Balance of the Force"
    I know, I know. ROTJ was supposed to bring balance to the Force already, and clearly that didn't stop the First Order from taking over just a few short decades later. So this option seems unlikely already.

    If this option has anything going for it, it's the fact that Rey and Kylo seem in some ways to embody the Force. Something is going on with them that we don't fully understand yet.

    But personally, I don't love this option anyway. I think that the Jedi are important, but they've also been arrogant. And I think part of what Rey will learn, based on what she's already learned from Luke, is that they Jedi are not symbolic of the fate of the entire galaxy, but are rather meant to serve it. So, yes, she needs to help overthrow the First Order as her role as a budding Jedi, but it's not through some mystical prophecy that they'll win, but by bringing the galaxy together as a whole. Sounds familiar, doesn't it Rose? Speaking of which...


    2. Galactic Unification
    Pretty broad topic, but if we're to get an end to the ceaseless war, we need to unite and not divide. I guess that sounds boring, but it could still be uniting against an exterior threat- seeing the First Order and Resistance unite against a extra-galactic threat or something from the unknown regions. Or it could be something as small as a First Order insurrection. Or, barring that, we could see planets start to branch off and become independent, throwing off the shackles of the First Order and banding together.

    I guess we saw some of these in the expanded media near the end of the Galactic Civil War, but not so much in the films themselves, so it would still be a new experience in my opinion. Clearly, LFL puts a lot more weight on the movies.

    3. Sequel Time!
    There's always the possibility that IX will have satisfying endings for our characters, but leave the franchise open for other characters and movies to finish the war itself- not unlike ROTJ, really.


    Anyway, let me know your thought! I'm curious what others think could differentiate this upcoming war to the end of ROTJ.
     
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    i think the best possible ending is a galactic confederation. there remains the possibility of ongoing conflict as people hash out how they want to be ruled and/or participate in leadership structures, but there's no single entity--no Republic nor Empire controlling everything, even under the guise of a "democracy".

    i think our Force user heroes become peacekeepers as the Jedi were meant to be, but through the wisdom of their teaching, not violence.
    and i think our pew pew pew heroes become diplomats and peacekeepers to help maintain order (as the FO was originally intended or branded).

    i think, if the point of the ST is to emphasize the need for balance, then neither side can be destroyed entirely; they have to coexist, even if it's a fragile thing.
     
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    Yeah, I like the idea of a First Order civil war, but I think the galactic independence would be more meaningful. The idea of an overarching Republic is pretty much the thing that has fueled each war so far.

    It's also deliciously ironic in that it basically means that the CIS was kind of right the whole time.
     
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    it would be cool if it started with an FO Civil War (which i feel like we have all the key pieces in place for that already!).
    but yes, ultimately, i agree; that no one power or representation should be calling the shots across the galaxy if the idea is truly to have balance.

    and, well, yes: maybe the CIS was right all along! XD
     
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    Something in me doubts it will happen, but I would love for IX to have a bummer ending like RotS: a tragic ending that sets up something new for the future. Come back to it years later, after the Johnson movies and those movies by the GoT guys.

    Just imagine how cool and different it would have been to experience the original Star Wars story in order--to be left so hopeless, on the verge of something so new at the end of RotS, and to come back with a glimmer of hope in ANH. I would love to see something like that.
     
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    You know, I never really got the appeal of a sad ending for this trilogy, but that would actually be pretty fantastic.
     
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    The sad ending worked for ROTS because we know everything will be okay at the end (ROTJ)
    Let's not forget the scene where Luke and Leia was born.

    Now? A sad/tragic ending for IX?
    All we would have are potential promises from Disney: Hey, wait for the next film(s)! There is still hope!
    Here's hoping I will become Galactic Emperor! I'm pretty sure if I hope enough it will happen.
     
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    The lesson to be learned from Luke is that he resisted building a Jedi Order. It kind of seems like he only tried it because of Ben Solo when it should have been his number one priority from the beginning.
    After a long peace the Jedi became a military arm of the Republic. That was a mistake. However, Luke completely left the New Republic without a Jedi to help protect from the Dark Side. The Jedi should be on the lookout for identifying and stopping threats like Snoke.

    Rey restoring the Jedi Order and temple on Coruscant would be a fitting end because even now the win by the Sith in Revenge of the Sith is bigger than Vader turning against Palpatine. After eight episodes the destruction of the Jedi Order/Republic is the biggest thing to happen.
     
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    Space Marshal Plan will be the best option. And finally properly exploring the Unknown Regions.
     
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    Given Disney has this franchise for the long haul, I’d say we get a mixed ending where war is still on the horizon, even if the main conflicts seem largely resolved.

    If Disney has loose plans for future Skywalker saga Episodes, which I think it likely does, it would be easier to leave some of the already established First Order intact or viable for future installments. It would be tougher for Disney to start from scratch — that is, create yet another new threat to the galaxy for another set of Sequel Trilogy movies, especially if some of our current characters will be brought back in future movies (also likely).
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 10, 2018, Original Post Date: Apr 10, 2018 ---
    Also, I have a sneaking suspicion that LucasFilm might pull a Hunger Games on us and make the Sequel Trilogy into 4 movies.... I haven’t seen Kennedy or JJ themselves use the term “trilogy” to describe the Sequel movies for some time (if at all). Please correct me if you’ve seen otherwise....
     
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    Under the umbrella of a catch phrase "the war to end all wars" I could imagine the completition of a total "reset-scenario" for the dark side.
    That could be "Point 0" for the FO.
    If it's because of internal struggles or/and because of the forces of a reestablished rebellion/resistance.
    Most likely a bit of everything, or with other words: "Ren against everyone else" (and therefor also against himself).
    Because if he goes on with his moto "kill everything if you have to" in the most extreme way it could also lead to complete selfdestruction at the very end.
    Ugh. Who helps me out with a bit more sunny forecast? :D
     
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    how about Ben just kills Kylo Ren, and puts an end to the need to kill everything.
    then they can start to rebuild from there?
     
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    Like Eduard Norton in Fight Club :) or Keeanu Reaves in "Im Auftrag des Teufels" (orig. title ? devils advocate)?
     
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    Yup, The Devil's Advocate.
     
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    I mentioned something similar to @Ganon136 recently on Facebook about how to end IX...In my opinion, I think that Rey should walk into the sunset similar to Luke's original character arc back in ROTJ...I think that Ben should unify the galaxy like Anakin was trying to do but he offers Rey to be by his side but she walks away disgusted. The galaxy is now ruled by someone who doesnt know wtf he is doing but just wants what is best for his new people. I think that the FO and the republic will be forced to unite in the middle of a space battle because something comes out of the blue (maybe thrawn) to throw a wrench into the FO. They fight, Thrawn Ezra, Ben are are all killed because Thrawn sacrifices himself to cause it all, and it causes a galaxy wide unification.

    Meanwhile, Luke comes back because he has found a way to cross between the force and the real world similar to Yoda in TLJ. He is the only one who can have a physical body after death including his father, Anakin Skywalker in his Jedi Form. Rey learns from them and they unite to fight in the beginning until Thrawn shows up and just destroys everything. I think that Luke finds the broom boy and Rey and takes them back to Coruscant where his dad started in the order. They help re-unify everyone and fight on the ground during the thrawn battle. After Luke reveals her true parentage (from a certain point of view), she leaves everything behind to go outside of the galaxy with Finn to start a new life. Luke ends up realizing his past mistakes, starts a new academy, etc.

    Leia dies in teh thrawn battle in the opening, tries to convince Rey to stay, Rose is non existent in this movie.
     
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    I don't see that the galaxy has much to fear from the First Order

    It isn't very big compared to the previous Empire, they control only a tiny piece of territory.

    Its leader is a short-tempered boy with a few loose screws who gets triggered from the mere name of his father.

    Yes, they blew a few planets up in TFA, and have a few Star Destoyers, but Starkiller Base is gone and so is Snoke - whoever he was.

    Presently, they're nowhere near as expansive or as organised as the Empire was, they never came across as being very threatening to me at all. In fact, rather the opposite, more of a poorly rebooted copy of the Empire, which feels like an unintentional parody.
     
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    Going off just the movies, I'd agree with you.

    But apparently, they've captured a good chunk of the galaxy now.

    Probably my biggest complaint with the ST- they've done a pretty weak job of marrying scale and context.
     
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    It would be sthg new if he would be able to "kill Ren" WITHOUT a force from the outside.
    Like Rey had to overcome her expectations for maybe being someone with an "impressive" lineage, Ren could have his very own moment of delusion that shows him the opposite of his former believings and he has to recognize that Ren is the "very weak one".
    Sorry for repeating myself #EnemiesOfSaveBen,
    but like @FN-3263827 said above, he really could end all wars by ending the war inside himself.
     
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    So he commits harakiri?
     
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    [​IMG]

    Credit to someone else. Edit got it off reddit. searched google by Kylo Ren Seppuku.
     
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