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SPECULATION How Can IX Put the Galaxy in a Better Place than ROTJ?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by cawatrooper, Apr 10, 2018.

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How Will IX Bring Peace to the Galaxy?

  1. "Balance of the Force"

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  2. Unification- Extra-galactic threat

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  3. Unification- First Order Civil War

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  4. Unification- Interplanetary Independence

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  5. Sequel- Have another trilogy finish the war

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  6. There will not be a happy ending for the Rebellion/ The Rebellion will lose

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  7. Other

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  1. Darth Basin The Greatest

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    Wow. Rey shaved her hed.
     
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    The Republic doesn't feel all that big either (what kind of government entity doesn't have a military to speak of?), but I think that's mostly because the movies are focused over a short period of time (the full might of each can't fully mobilize). Quite possibly, each of the KoR are actual knights who govern sectors of the FO. Which would make sense why they weren't present in the two movies (all purely speculation, making head canon because I have to).

    So assuming the Republic is fairly large, and so is the FO, but further assuming that the Republic is crippled (maybe lost a huge portion of their fleet in the SKB attacks, as well as leadership) and the FO is also reeling from two major losses (Snoke and SKB), then maybe due to all that recent angst, Kylo or the Republic offer a truce, or maybe even in their shared pain they find common ground and amalgamate.

    This of course has the unfortunate effect of casting the Resistance, Rey, Leia and all the rest into being terrorists. Maybe space Robin Hoods at best (support from the people, not the governments). It might end this way, or maybe even open up this way.

    The problem (and advantage) of there being no sense of scale, is that they can make what they need in that void of information. It's hard to develop theories though, it's just too wide open in terms of questions of time and scale.
     
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    There seems to be no sense of wider galactic scale in these ST films, they seem to be exclusively about a very few number of people. The rest of the galaxy is ignored which makes the ST galaxy seem very much smaller than in the two other trilogies.

    I think the only large city with a sizeable population we've seen it the ST trilogy so far was the city on Hosnian Prime, and that was for a very brief few seconds.
     
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    Finn will help turn the stormtrooper corps which will then cannibalize and destroy the First Order. Peace will result in a new faction.
     
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    That's a fair point. I always did see it as silly that the Republic didn't have a standing army to speak of, but I just kind of assumed that individual planets were in charge of their own governments. Kinda like a significantly more powerful United Nations, with Jedi as the peacekeepers.

    We can't really say the same for the First Order, in my opinion. They don't seem to be particularly well suited to diplomacy, and I expect that they're even more reliant on martial occupation than the Empire was, considering at least the Empire was borne from a legitimate, existing government.

    I guess what irks me is that in around the time of TFA, the First Order was often cited by canon sources as essentially (and I'm paraphrasing here) "quality over quantity, the opposite of the Empire's philosophy". Now, all of a sudden, they're taking over an entire galaxy in like a week. Sorry, but regardless of quality, that takes an insane amount of quantity. A galaxy is freaking huge.
    That's very true, and even the Rebellion faced that hurdle (if you haven't read Lost Stars or Inferno Squad, both delve into that pretty well). It's an interesting perspective, and from a westerner's point of view, definitely doesn't quite gel with out own political climate as well as we might think.

    And agreed about how the ambiguity in the sense of scale helps them with flexibility in the series. The issue is that they haven't even taken advantage of that flexibility all too well, still coloring outside the lines (See the "quality/quantity" conundrum)
     
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    I kind of hope going forward they don't have a NEW new Republic, lots of different factions spread across the Galaxy would be a far more interesting setting for future films.

    I think its to late in the day to do a Extra Galactic threat, it would be a hard thing to pull off anyway as it would be a dramatic departure from the Star Wars Films we've seen. The way they could of done it as having had Snoke neen from a different galaxy but with him dead and the ground work for a extra-galatic story line not established in the first 2 films of the trilogy it would feel a bit shoe horned in at this stage and probably make the trilogy feel even more disjointed.
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    yeah i think the way forward is defiantly having Finn lead a Stromtrooper rebellion, it would give Finn a much needed storyline and purpose for episode 9 and it wold re dress the balance between the resistance and the First Order.
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    Thats something that i think is very under estimated about the Prequels you really get a sense of whats going on across the galaxy, you don't really in the Original Trilogy or the Sequel Trilogy. So It would be nice to get more of a galactic scope in episode 9.
     
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    That's a really good point.

    In my opinion, one of the great new sci-fi franchises is Mass Effect, because of how it portrays a loose collective of (many non-hamanoid) alien species with varied cultures, governments, and issues. I'd love to EXPLORE the Star Wars universe, something that really hasn't been touched on yet- and with so much of the Unknown Regions to see too, there's a huge amount of potential in this idea.
     
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    exactly and with lots of small factions you can vary storylines much easier. Star Wars can never do the Evil Empire vs the Plucky rebellion storyline again, so this way you could have small factions at war with each other, you could have the Jedi trying to keep peace or different factions could all have their own faction of jedi/force users causing conflict. You could do exploration of Wild Spcae/unknown regions storylines. Plus if you wanted to go down the route of extra-galactic threatening the whole galaxy bringing all the factions together to fight it would be an interesting story too.
     
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    For me, I hope we don't see what happens after the destruction of the first order. I want Kylo Ren to die alongside Rey in a Resistance - 1st order battle where the first order is ultimately toppled, and that's where it ends.
     
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    After all the fighting this makes perfect sense. Why would systems want to be part of a centralized system after all the fighting?
     
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    In theory, a centralised government would mean no fighting.
    Practically, the hypothetical centralised government need to be strong militarily with a good civil policy that makes sure that civilians can eat full every meal and have good clothes for all kind of weathers. When they cannot provide for these conditions, that's when fighting starts.

    In Star Wars, we need decentralised galactic government(s) because it would be Star Peace then.

    edit: That's not to say I personally wouldn't mind a well written rom com or single camera comedy with laugh tracks set in the Star Wars universe.
     
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    Since this is fiction, it could go either way. Remember, the New Republic was so lame because it's leadership was afraid of having any real might or authority. It's understandable if some systems would want to stay out of trouble and rely on themselves for defense. But, in the long run, if the Galaxy is devided in lots of different political entities, there would be plenty of fighting between them for any reason, from economic to idealogical and religious. Which could be good for a franchise called "Star Wars".
     
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    Have you ever read the Star Wars legacy comics. Stormtrooper civil war is awesome! If not, you should.
     
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    Thanks for the tip, I’m not really a comic reader so I’ve mainly stuck with the books, but I might try and search it out, I’ve done a google search and sounds cool.
     
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    For me, the only satisfying ending has to deal with the balance of the Force through Rey and Kylo Ren. I don’t know how JJ can thread that needle but that would tie the 3 Trilogies together.

    The PT was the rise of the dark, the OT was the re-emergence of the light while the ST is the merging of the two (Reminiscent of The Matrix Revolution Ending).

    If JJ just focuses on Resistance vs First Order and revisits stuff like Rey’s parentage and Snoke, and punts on Rey/Kylo Force bond, then I will probably be disappointed.
     
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    The First Order has definitely not had time to show the scale of their occupation. Luckily because of the TLJ Visual Dictionary, we have a little source material on this. We know the FO and Resistance have resources elsewhere thanks to the Battlefront II campaign *SPOILERS*

    when Leia sends Zay to the outer rim to meet up with other Resistance members. I have a feeling it is the rest of Poe's squadron since they seem to disappear in TLJ, but alas, we wait for that story expansion from EA.

    I don't really care what ending we get as long as it doesn't feel too repetitive to what we have. I agree with most of you that by getting closer to the characters and zooming in has somewhat taken away from the bigger scale we are used to seeing. It has made the character moments a little more intimate, but also fails to explain the grander scale of things like we used to see in the OT and PT. I hope JJ can make a hybrid of both combining scale with intimacy. It would make for one hell of an adventure. It's part of the reason I love everything big from the podracing sequence, to the Battle of Coruscant, and to the Battle of Endor that still manages to capture both elements. In a lot of ways, the Crait sequence is the closest we have gotten to that in the ST.

    I do disagree that Rose should not be present in IX because now she plays such a large role in Finn's life, if she didn't, I would say write her off, but there is still story there and I think JJ can write that character and expand on that a lot better. Since I've read Cobalt Squadron, I definitely have a bigger appreciation for her and her sister that I didn't before. Definitely worth a read if you haven't checked it out.

    The Chiss Ascendancy situation is weird since they were born of the Unknown Regions just like the First Order. What we know in Canon for now is that Thrawn provided charts into the UR for the Emperor and the fleeing members of the Empire used these to go hide out and build up their new order after the Battle of Jakku (Aftermath: Empire's End). We don't know too much beyond that and we aren't exactly sure how Snoke is tied into everything quite yet. Wouldn't be shocked if we get more answers on that in the next 3 years. The Thrawn: Alliances book this summer made shed some more light on the situation out there especially if we hear back from Eli Vanto regarding Empire-Chiss relations. If relations are good, this may give context as to what to expect from them in the future. If relations end up strained, you may see them wiped out or in confrontation with the FO. Anything is still possible with them currently. I assume Thrawn would find a way to still protect his people from threat since that is his main purpose for getting involved with Palpatine. Now with Ezra thrown in the loop, things just got very interesting to say the least. No telling how Brendol Hux gets involved either.

    Regardless of how you felt about TLJ, Rian left a lot of room for storytelling options.
     
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    Do we know that more story expansions are coming out?

    I guess I just assumed the TLJ season would be the last campaign content.
     
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    I think the most likely is some type of "Balance of the force" ending. Obviously the Jedi are going to stay but they'll have a new ideology. An ideology of balance most likely.
    Episode 9 could still be a sadder ending than most expect though. I think Kylo is gonna die, but have a redeeming death in the end.
     
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    They already had the balance thing in the Legend. It turned out that the proponents of the "It's okay to use Dark Side powers" as long as your intentions were good. were lying through their teeth.

    But I agree that having all Jedi and no Sith or all Sith and no Jedi are not "balance". Maybe have competing "Force" schools.

    No Grey Jedi. You might as well be one or the other. Legend wise, Vestara and Callista are exception to the rule. And Vestara betrayed the Jedi at the end.

    Yeah, I know the attraction of Grey Jedi, all powers and no consequences, cool, right? but be realistic and you won't have a Mary Sue in your hands.
     
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    Regarding balance and the future of the Force- I really do like the idea of third party Force factions, like the Guardians of the Whills.

    While I don't love the idea of the galaxy's fate being married to the perceived balance of the Force (and am instead more interested in the galaxy controlling its own destiny) it could at least be interesting to see the concept of the Force and its factions broadened across more than just the Jedi and Sith, particularly given Luke's misgivings about the Jedi during much of TLJ.

    Even though Luke eventually embraces the Jedi, I could see him as a proponent of reformation still.
     
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