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SPECULATION How Can IX Put the Galaxy in a Better Place than ROTJ?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by cawatrooper, Apr 10, 2018.

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How Will IX Bring Peace to the Galaxy?

  1. "Balance of the Force"

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  2. Unification- Extra-galactic threat

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  3. Unification- First Order Civil War

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  4. Unification- Interplanetary Independence

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  5. Sequel- Have another trilogy finish the war

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  6. There will not be a happy ending for the Rebellion/ The Rebellion will lose

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  7. Other

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  1. KyloRen16

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    Endgame is the end of the "Infinity Saga" of Marvel movies, and that certainly looks a lot more interesting than joyful (it's definitely not gonna be joyful) and people are already flocking towards it.
     
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    I agree they need to wrap things up (at least for the time being) but the OP raises a great point. How can you put the galaxy in a better place at the end of E9 than it was at the end of E6?

    The unfortunate reality is that barring a satisfactory answer to this, the entire ST was just a waste. It would be little more than a retelling of the OT having started in roughly the same place as E4 and concluded in roughly the same place as E6 (without ever even bothering to tell us how we got from point F to point G).

    My prediction is we get a quality movie in E9 but never really satisfy the big picture of the entire ST advancing - rather than merely rehashing - the story from the OT.
    I honestly don't know any Endgame spoilers so this is all speculation, but....
    "Joyful" may be the wrong word, but I think it is safe to say we will get a "happy ending" (so to speak) from Endgame. Now, "happy ending" doesn't mean no one dies or there are no sad moments, but there will be a resolution of some sort.

    Of course, it's worth noting that if we look at the MCU as one long saga then it's only a couple months before the next installment... whereas with Star Wars, not only do we have no idea when the next movie comes out, but we have no idea whatsoever when (or even if) there will be movies taking place after E9.
     
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  3. cawatrooper

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    Right, that's kind of my intent with this.

    EP6 ended on a pretty dang optimistic tone, but Ep7 sees the galaxy in utter darkness just a generation or two later.

    I really think IX has a challenge in selling the idea of a happy ending, if that's what's in store.
     
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    My question is does the galaxy need to be in a better place then after ROTJ? At the end of ROTJ, the Empire was essentially toppled, the rebellion had won and there was hope that the future would be better. A very positive and hopeful ending. As we know from the timeline from other canon materials that the state of the galaxy remained in good shape for approximately 25 years until the FO started becoming a threat.

    If IX ends with the elimination of the FO as a threat to the galaxy (however that may happen) and hope that the future of the galaxy will be better is present, then it is at least on par with where things were at the end of ROTJ. I don’t see that as a bad thing.

    As long as the threat is defeated and there is hope moving forward then we have a happy ending
     
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    No. The snap will be reversed. Thanos will be defeated. And the Super Heroes will all be eating shawarma and singing Yub Nub at the end.
     
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    I'm referring to the state of the universe being dark. As far as the individual characters go I want to see positive/optimistic resolutions for most of them.
     
  7. cawatrooper

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    Well, some recent developments have made this topic interesting.

    Assuming Palpatine still lives (which, apparently JJ confirmed that to be the case) then what does that mean for the galaxy?

    We know Palpatine was a master planner. We know he apparently at least came into contact with the abilities of Darth Plagueis.

    Could this have been his plan all along?


    Here's roughly what we can map out-

    -Palpatine may or may not have been involved with Anakin's conception (canon heavily implies he was, though).

    -Palpatine manipulates the senate, befriends Anakin, creates doubt in the Jedi

    - Palpatine turns Anakin, overthrows the Jedi, and becomes Emperor

    -Rules for over two decades. During this time, he tests Skywalker theoretically with the possibility of replacing his apprentice with a more worthy successor.

    - With Luke revealed, Palpatine specifically sends Vader to hunt his own son. Another test, perhaps.

    - At the DSII, Palpatine tempts Luke, but Vader as well- with Luke wanting to kill the Emperor for the Rebellion, Vader to ascend with Luke in his place

    - But supposedly unknown to Palpatine, Vader turns on his master and they both seemingly die

    - Operation Cinder commences. Worlds burn, apparently in an effort to "reset" the chessboard (this may be important!)

    -The New Republic wins the war. Yay!

    - The First Order rises in the Outer Rim. Oh no!

    -Snoke dies. Yay!

    - The Empreor... comes back? (oh no!)


    So, what's going on? Is this really all to Palpatine's design?

    The idea that the galaxy is slowly killing itself due to war is something we've talked a lot about here. Each conflict gets smaller and smaller, presumably from both the idea that resources are being churned through, but also because each war is becoming more and more one sided.

    Perhaps Palpatine's resetting of the chessboard was less about punishing a galaxy that couldn't save him, and more about preparing it for his eventual return? I'm not exactly sure how completely wiping out the Empire really does that for him, outside of two possibilities:

    1) It's very sith like. Retreat to the Shadows, gain strength, and return.

    2) It prevents someone with the power of the Empire to rise in his place. Honestly, if Rae Sloane had won the war and a more effective Empire had risen in its place (an Empire that, in 40 years, could very possibly learned the truth about its former sith Emperor) it's possible Palpatine could be returning to an incredibly well organized Imperial military that now considered him a hostile.


    Any thoughts? How does Palpatine's apparent return fir into this narrative?
     
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    Well said.

    I really hope Palps is alive and not only a Force ghost or something. How awesome and unexpected that would be? The bad guy strikes back when no one saw it coming!

    However I fear in reality he'd only be a cameo or mention in Death Star II when Rey and company go there to retrieve the MacGuffin.
     
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