How deeply rooted is the division of TLJ?

The divide will probly fade away over time to some degree as peopel start to reconsider their oppinions once the dust has settled. This goes for both, the lovers and the haters. I assume that both of them will see that TLJ has some really great but also some really terrible moments, disqualifiying it from both, being a masterpiece and being the "worst movie evur". However, the divise nature of TLJ will always be there to some extend. After all Rian designed TLJ to be divise, for the better or worse. What JJ should do is listen to the things haters and lovers of TLJ have in common as far as criticism is concerned. I'm under the impression that many people were not particularly fond of the humour and how it underminded some otherwise powerful moments. Many people did not have an issue with the death of Snoke but about the lack of background information. Many people also pointed out that TLJ felt disjointed and not as connected to TFA as it should have. I think IX could profit from trying to connect the first two movies retroactively. Let Kylo tell us how he met Snoke and where the Knights of Ren went. Tell us what was written in the ancient Jedi texts and what the prime jedi is all about. Bring Luke back as a forceghost and let him do some explaining like Obi Wan's "point of view" speech to close plotholes or finetune some plotelements that felt rushed or underwritten. Maybe bring back the character of DJ working as a double agent who was looking for a way to make it onto the Supremacy to steal some ifnormation there so that the Canto Bight plotline becomes more important to the overall story. Also try to connect the PT the OT and the ST with a final, shocking revelationI. The PT might be an ugly stepchild to some but it's still an important aspect of SW.

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Not necessarily if done correctly. Brinign Luke back as a forceghost would be completely fine with me and will most likely happen in IX. Snoek could be brought back too, maybe as a forcghost who deliberately forced his own death to be free from his crippled and decaying body. Maybe he lives on in a holocron, maybe the black obsidian ring is an ancient dark artifact consuming their hosts thus creating "a Snoke". Maybe Snoke's days were numbered due to a disease but he has been planning ahead like the Eperor did when designing his Sentinels to orchestrate operation Cinder.

 

That's what I mean with my example of the obsidian ring creating "a Snoke". If I had to come up with a story it would be something like this. It's a powerful artifact which was created as a prototype holocron by powerful dark forcuser X long before the Jedi and Sith came into existence. Whoever created the ring transferred his/her soul into it similar to how jedi and sith can store their memories into holocrons. It was created by corrupting a Kyper crystal turning it black in the process which served as the darkside equivalent of eternal life since darksiders can't become forceghosts. The ring would corrupt the body of whoever is wearing it but also grants them immense darkside powers. Once the host dies their power is transferred into the ring, making each user more powerful than the last.

The ring is connected to Darth Vader's castle on Mustafar. This could be the place where X lived during the creation of the ring and maybe there are similar rings there or a darkside source that's powering the ring. This could be the reason why Vader lived there as seen in R1. Palpatine placed him there to guard whatever artifacts are hidden in the depths of the castle to make sure no other darkside forceuser would emerge by using the artifacts which could have threatened the Emperor's power. Last but not least the ring is etched with Dwartii glyphes. The Dwartii were only mentioned once in the EU. They were mentioned in the book "Darth Plagueis". Plagueis was one of many who got his power by wearing the ring. He didn't cheat death, his spirit was merely transferred into the ring when he died.

Like the vision of Bane from beyond the grave the ring could manipulate and control forceusers so that it's creator X could continue to interact with the real world thus immortalizing himself/herself. This manipulative visions would be similar to Rey's forceback which were created by the Kybercrystal inside Anakin's saber. Kylo would have potentially been the new host if he hadn't killed Snoke before he could pass on the ring to his student to continue the rings cycle. This plotline would explain how Snoke came out of nowhere since he simply found the ring on an expedition to Mustafar and was slowly consumed by it but also inhereted its power. It would tie in the prequels due to mentioning Darth Plagueis and set up a trilogy focused on the creating of the ring. IX would be focused on the destruction of theKyber crystal in the obsidian ring which would return the power of the darksiders power stored inside of it back to the living force which would restore the balance.

/edit: The ring could also have beend created by Darth Bane as a failsave for the rule of two. If both master and apprentice died it would become active corrupting whoever was wearing at that time. When Palpatine and Vader died, the ring became active and started to corrupt Snoke teaching him the knowledge of the Sith in form of visions. It pushed him to lsearch for an apprentice (Kylo) who then killed his own master, an important rite of passage for any sith. With the death of Snoke the SIth are reborn in Kylo. If Rey joins him the rule of the two is reinstated.


I don't think this is what happens in IX but you see there could be ways to bring back Snoke and tie lose ends together. The guys at Lucasfilm could also make it seem as if everything had been carefully planned out long ago when in reality they probably never had an idea who or what Snoke really is.

 

I don't expect this to happen either but as an amateur writer who publishes short novels every now and then as a hobby and to make a bit of money on the side I always try to make connections and think about "what if" scenarios. You could connect the ring even further to the SW mythos.

The ring could have beend created by Darth Bane as a failsave for the rule of two. If both master and apprentice died it would become active corrupting whoever was wearing it at that time. When Palpatine and Vader died, the ring became active and started to corrupt Snoke and teach the knowledge of the Sith in form of force visions. It pushed him to search for an apprentice (Kylo) who then killed his own master, an important rite of passage for any sith. With the death of Snoke the Sith are reborn in Kylo. If Rey joins him the rule of two is reinstated.

 

Don't trust Rotten Tomatoes, IMDb, metacritic, allocine and all the other metacritic websites out there collecting the data of thousands of users all arround the globe! They have been hacked and inflitrated by trolls. The only scientifically accurate poll is cinemascore where TLJ got an "A" rating. Here, let me show you the screenshot.

See? I told you! Hmm quite a lot of "A" movies there. Even "A+". Must have been a fantastic Winter full of great movies! Even Tyler Perry's Boo 2! got an "A-" rating which is almost as good as TLJ's rating!

Wait I just checked the ratings for this movie on IMDb and it says 3.1 for Boo 2 even though it was rated "A-" by audiences. Could cinemascore be biased? Could it only poll a selected group of diehard fans on opening nights who are predispositioned to like a movie more than the average viewer? Did audiences not have enough time to make up their mind within the 2 minute timespan after the credits had rolled? Could social pressure combined with face to face interviews skew the audience score into overly positive reactions for pretty much any movie?...

Sorry, I got off track there for a second. Where was I? Oh yes, there's only one reasonable explaination for all of this. These damn trolls who downvoted TLJ also downvoted Tyler Perry's Boo 2! It's a conspiracy I'm telling you!

 

From these boards, who I'd have to include as all pretty hard core SW fans, the split appears closer to 70-30... the 70 for those who like it. I'm part of the 30.

That being said, I think there are lots on both sides of the divide who are waiting for Ep9 to pass final judgment.