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How did Luke get so good with a saber?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Cole, Mar 24, 2015.

  1. Vader_the_White

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    I think it is a combination of natural talent, the Force, and the experiences he had between films. Don't forget we only see a small sliver of the four years between A New Hope and Return of the Jedi.

    Yes to both of you. And boy, that is such a stupid moment in Revenge of the Sith.

    No, Mace was described as such in the Legends continuity.
     
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    I'm thinking it was a combination of natural Force ability, unseen training with Yoda, and pure adrenaline because he believed he was avenging his father.

    And considering how the TESB duel works out, "so good" might be a bit of an exaggeration (although he has improved more by ROTJ).
     
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    luke is the direct son of the chosen one... of course we would be good at everything he tries
     
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    Agreeing with all that say natural ability, and experience between films, also a change in attitude and a greater seriousness to his studies(?). And I always thought that Obi-Wan must have come back from time to time to give instruction and guidance to help Luke move along in his abilities. That, plus eventually embracing Yoda's teachings even though he isn't on Dagobah (there is a big difference between ending-ESB Luke and starting-ROTJ Luke) helped him with letting the Force flow through him, and in turn manipulate the Force as needed. Also, practice, practice, practice, as they say. Even if you don't have a teacher there with you, Yoda probably imparted enough knowledge to chew on for a long time. Added to the hypothetical Obi-Wan, we have ourselves a Jedi.
     
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    you are right but most do not want to see it however, that being said I think designed a scene just for him lol
     
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    We'll the story fo him sucking is that the prequels were Jedi at their prime and Luke wasn't exactly taught any REAL combat with the saber as far as we know and had to train himself for the most part also because Obi-Wan Kenobi was old/dead and his dad was never there to show him and Yoda was simply too senile to fight .
     
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    It's important not to confuse "someone is not the best swordsman" with "someone is a bad Jedi." To quote Master Yoda, "Wars not make one great," and there is a lot more to being a Jedi than being the best with a lightsaber. In TESB, Luke is pushed to join the dark side with threats, but he refuses and stays committed to the good side, even though he was risking his life by doing so. In ROTJ, Luke is enticed to join the dark side with power, but again he makes the right choice even if he is risking his life.

    Luke has an unwavering commitment to being a good guy no matter what, and that's what being a Jedi is all about.
     
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    Luke being more "in tune with the Force" doesn't mean squat if he isn't trained properly. Talent alone doesn't hack it. And why is it so important to many fans that Luke should be more powerful than Anakin. Sometimes, mere power is not really that important.
     
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    It's not so much him needing to be more power on principle, but more along the line that he beat a much more experienced Vader after getting curb stomped the last time they dueled with no clear instruction or training in the intervening time.
     
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    I feel like I read this somewhere myself.....where did you find it?

    And what if Luke was really the balance to the force or "the Chosen One" He did come at a time when there were only Sith active, the Jedi we see and know about only lived as Hermits.
     
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    I think it's easy to explain really.. Vader's movement had become restricted with his mechanical limbs, so he was 3x slower than when in his Anakin prime in episode 3.. he probably relied more on the force due to this, so the best thing to do with Vader battle-wise was to get up close. It was always when Luke was at a distance than Vader seemed to have an advantage (force throwing objects at him, using the environment against him etc) when Luke really got up close and personal and went to town lightsaber-wise, it revealed how weak Vader actually was in battle. Palpatine probably could have taken Vader on his own with force lightning.
     
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    That's more or less what happened. Palpatine's Force Lightning short-circuited Vader's life support system, which is what killed him.
    Fun fact: in the Legends continuity, Palpatine loved to remind Vader of this exact possibility.
     
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    Book "The Weapon of a Jedi". But the planet is Devaron.
     
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    And what if Luke was really the balance to the force or "the Chosen One"


    Why? Does the Chosen One has to be a near ideal character? And his training as a Jedi Knight struck me as rather badly handled . . . especially in the year between "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi".
     
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    What would you like to have seen done with his training?
     
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    To be fair, Obi Wan died before he could really get much done, and Yoda was on the literal last year of his life. I think they did what they could with what they had. The student willing must be, and we know it was Luke that left training early -- not much the teacher's fault. Force ghosts seem to have some type of limits on their interactions, only popping up to give general advice and counsel; who knows if they are allowed to appear to correct their pupil's lightsaber grip.
     
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    Well, Luke was initially trained by Yoda on Dagobah. And Yoda WAS NOT senile during his last years. And it's also possible that Anakin's heart wasn't really in his duel with Luke in "Return of the Jedi". Simply learning by Obi-Wan's manuals doesn't strike me effective. He should have resumed his training with Yoda on Dagobah.
     
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    He was trained in the ways of the force...NOT lightsaber combat.
     
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    I don't know if Luke is great with a lightsaber or Vader is actually weak with one. I assume that Vader was out of practice, giving Luke the ability to use youth and parlor tricks to seem really good. In ESB, when Vader stops swinging the lightsaber and just starts pummeling Luke with force-thrown objects, Luke gets crushed. It brings up an interesting question: did Vader ever regain his lightsaber prowess after losing his limbs?
     
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    He might not have been as good as he was in the Clone Wars, but Vader was still a major threat with a saber. Just look at Rebels and his duels with Kanan, Ezra, and Ahsoka.
     
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