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How do you feel about Jedi "Power Levels"?

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by cawatrooper, Feb 15, 2019.

  1. Someguy

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    Yeah, I've heard about that rumor too, I hope it's true. I think they wasted Leia's character in the new films by making her character do the same things she did in ANH, I would've loved to see her become a Jedi of sorts as Return of the Jedi set it up to be that way.
     
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    Power level = Midichlorian count.
     
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    I agree with your post, but I do think there is something about KR being stronger in the force than some others. We've never seen anyone stop a blaster bolt before, even though we've seen Anakin and Obi fight numerous battles where it would have come in handy.
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    The only thing I disagree with is the Rey thing. I don't see her training as THAT much less than Lukes in ANH/ESB.
     
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    What an interesting question :). I agree with what most of you have posted here : I think power levels equals midichlorians and that is set and determined and cannot be changed but regardless of this how you respond as a force sensitive falls into two categories - skills/training and mediation and faith .Some choose to focus on both or one or the other. Being a force user is like the ultimate , mind , body and spirit exercise - yes you can be naturally gifted with all the midichlorians like Anakin and the skywalker bloodline and potential for greatness but it doesn’t mean you will necessarily get there ( in fact there seems to be some correlation between really high midichlorian count and it predisposing you towards the dark side as Palpatine had a high count too - it’s all that power ! Hard to control !:p (emperor)).

    As in any field like sport or music some have to work harder than others to achieve greatness but they still get there just in different ways because their starting points are different. I don’t see Yoda or Obi Wan any less great than Anakin just because they had lower midichlorian count . Just different set of skills and ways of harnessing their force abilities . :D
     
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  5. cawatrooper

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    I could totally be forgetting something, but wouldn't most situations just be better to deflect with a lightsaber?

    Especially against multiple opponents? Like, it clearly took a decent amount of concentration for Ben to keep that bolt stationary, so it probably wouldn't be a viable strategy in battle.

    If anything, it kinda feels like Kylo Ren was showboating a little bit, trying to intimidate Poe. A sort of "You can shoot me, but I'll just freeze it and hit you with your own bolt" kind of moment.
    That's a fascinating concept. It does seem like that could be the case, and power is often viewed as such in Star Wars (look at how Rebels treats Ezra when he does something very powerful at times).

    I guess that could go a long way to explaining how the Rule of Two actually is a viable thing- if the Sith are just generally more powerful than the Jedi, and any Jedi that is at their power level is susceptible to corruption, it levels the playing field a little bit.

    Obviously we're being extremely speculative here, and it's starting to sound like Dragon Ball Z talk, but I think you could be on to something.


    I would agree (and I think the new canon does too) but what about someone like Kit Fisto or Shaak Ti? Both also members of the High Council and therefore Anakin's contemporaries, but I really don't get the impression they're his equals in the Force.

    Which also brings up a really interesting point I've kind of realized- Obi Wan may be the most Sequel Trilogy-esque character of the prequels.

    What I mean is that he wasn't special. No legacy, no prophecies, we don't even really know much about his childhood or family. Lucas cared so little about Kenobi's familial legacy that he canonically named his home planet after a Jon Stewart joke.

    Yet, he goes toe to toe with the freakin Chosen One and wins. Like, how cool is that?

    More so, it clearly wasn't a fluke. Like, you're right- regardless of Anakin's power, Yoda (and particularly Kenobi) feel like they could be equals, and while Yoda is clearly just an ancient master, Kenobi just seems to have the "right attitude".

    I dunno, I feel like Kenobi was ahead of his time for Star Wars characterization. These links make it all the cooler to consider if Rey would be his granddaughter, too, though the connection would also lose its potency simply by existing. What a conundrum :p
     
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    He totally is and this cool power was a great way to show that. I have problem with fanboy writers who think the best way to show how cool and epic there take is and have there character do the same thing accept dial it up 1000%. Oh Darth Vader can force choke one guy, Watch my character Darth Dread force choke a whole settlement of people at once. I have zero issues with new force powers.
     
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    They're video gamey and only the psychological health of the character during their character arc really matters. Counting some scale is what big organizations like the Jedi would do...and that....failed. Asking how the individual is, how he/she/it feels, is getting at the basis of the hero's journey - psychological maturity and dealing with challenges of life. Listen to Yoda you must - he's always talking about fear and doubt, rather than midichlorians and stuff. Anakin was afraid. Luke had fear and doubt until the very end of his life. Even Maz judges Finn's fear and Rey's reluctance to move forward, rather than back. That's the important stuff.
     
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    Agreed. I see it as deliberately indicative of the character himself. It’s a wholly impractical technique. It’s theatrics for the benefit of his audience. Like his mask. There’s no practical, utilitarian use for it. He doesn’t need it to breath or anything. He wears it to intimidate. To be taken seriously. To inspire fear and respect because he doesn’t feel he could command it on his own.

    The Kylo character (it’s outright stated) has a fear of inadequacy and inferiority. He has a desperate need to prove himself to others and his showy performances are an extension of that. “Look at me. Aren’t I great? . . . . . . . am I good enough now (mommy, daddy, unkie, pappy, Snokie)?”
    I feel like that was the point all along before everybody got lost in the weeds of this 'super power' minutia.
     
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