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How do you see the 1-9 Saga Now?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Jedi77-83, Apr 5, 2018.

  1. Jedi77-83

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    There is no right or wrong answer in this thread (partially because Episode 9 has not come out yet so the story is not finished). But I was wondering how everyone sees the big picture story of the Saga at this point? Do you see the ST as and add on to the 1-6 story? Do you see it 1-9 as one story? Do you see it as 1-6 and 7-9, but still morphs into one overall story? I'd be interested to hear everyone's thoughts because I think many of us may look at it from a different POV. Which is always more interesting!
     
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    All one Story, to me.

    Indeed, each of us sees things differently.
     
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    I see it as one story which has its ups and downs. Both - the PT and the ST - could morph more into the over all story though.
     
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    It's all one story to me. It would have probably tied together a lot better if Leia could still be a major part of 9, but unfortunately it wasn't to be.
     
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    1-6, and then 7-9.

    Why?

    The first six (especially the prequels) were about bloodlines, ancient prophecies, and destiny.

    7-9 are about choices.

    Anakin's story completed the destiny. It satisfied the prophecy. That story has been told.

    7-9 can't really add to 1-6 because 1-6 stand complete. Instead the new ones show Rey Nobody inheriting all the things that Kylo Ren should have got by birthright. Anakin's grandson watches Rey inherit Grandpa's lightsaber. Han Solo's son sees Rey get the Falcon. She doesn't even know what these things are, but the Force keeps giving her all the things that Kylo Ren could have had, if only he had chosen differently.

    It's like 7-9 are telling us to forget everything we learned about the Force in 1-6, that "Amazing, everything we just said about the Force was wrong." Bloodlines don't matter anymore. Destiny takes a back seat to choices we make. The Force is in everything and everybody, not just the Jedi and the Sith.
     
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    I see Star Wars primarily as a depiction of events that happened in another/fictional universe. So it's all one big thing, even if themes and artistic styles change between different various elements.
    This approach might not seem so natural if you focus just on the episodes and see them as character-driven stories. But, if you try reading everything set between RotJ and TLJ (both books and comics), you'll see that everything flows together naturally and by the time you get to the TL, everything (except for Snoke) would feel like it makes sense.
     
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    Prequel trilogy - Central trilogy - Sequel trilogy.

    Anakin - Luke - Rey

     
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    More like: Anakin - Luke - Rey/Kylo (two halves of our protagonist)
     
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    Who can tell ... there isn't even a 9 right now.
     
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    As you whish..
    (longer version)

    Prequel trilogy-Original trilogy -Sequel trilogy.

    Anakin- Luke- Rey (divine desert starters-chosen ones)

    Padme-Leia-Kylo (supporting aristocracy).

     
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    Kylo calling supporting. That's an insult. People can hate me for it but Kylo is a much more significant character than Rey. At least in TLJ. Btw Luke called Kylo the chosen one.
     
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    This thread is about how we see things perfect for us and there is no wrong answer.Thus point of view that is complication of Star Wars damaging ReyLo scourge is as valid as my or any others ,respecting original post..
     
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    It doesn't bother me, but 7-9 definitely feels detached. 1-6 is one story. TFA skips too much to consider it natural continuation: the rise of Luke's new Jedi, Ben's fall to the dark side, the origin of the First Order etc.

    I think I agree. Rey is like us, the audience. We watch everything through her eyes. She's joining the in-progress story in which Kylo is the central character. He's the extension of the Skywalker Saga.
     
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    I actually feel this way about all SW films in general. Sure, they tell a continuous story, with a relatively constant set characters but they don't really feel like they are about any one specific goal and the focus shifts from episode to episode. It's probably because I've just rewatched the whole of LotR trilogy and these film are solely about one thing, all three were done by the exact same creative team (Peter Jckson, Fran Walsh, Philippa Boyens) and they progress in such a way that the next film starts exactly when the previous one left off and the closest thing we've had to this is TFA and TLJ, but I need to rewatch them consecutively to make a more educated judgement on the matter.
     
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    I have no problems with the Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy. Both may have their flaws, but otherwise, I think they're great. So far, the Sequel Trilogy is a disaster to me. Even if I end up enjoying "EPISODE IX", it does not erase the fact that I heartily dislike both "THE FORCE AWAKENS" and "THE LAST JEDI". So . . . yeah, a disaster to me.



    I don't believe that having one film in a trilogy pick up exactly where the previous one left off is always a good thing. This was not a problem I had with the "LORD OF THE RING" Trilogy. I had other problems with that trilogy. But I don't believe this type of narrative device worked for "THE LAST JEDI". I believe it was a major mistake on Rian Johnson's part. I believe having "THE LAST JEDI" pick up exactly where "THE FORCE AWAKENS" left off undermined two of the 2017 film's story arcs.
     
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    How could you think that was a choice made by Rian Johnson? What other options were there?
     
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    Exactly.

    Option A: Pick up right where JJ left things off and give some much needed answers to the many mystery boxes left behind.

    Option B: Time jump and leave more mysteries in place of ones you may or may not have to actually answer now.

    Rian made the right choice. He was painted in a bit of a corner from TFA. He had to explain why Luke was there and why he didn't show up in TFA. He really had no other choice. A time jump that doesn't explain Luke in TFA creates another mystery box for fans to speculate on that won't give them satisfying answers two years later.
     
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    I'm definitely an OT guy. I see the three trilogies as distinct, but the PT obviously plays a bigger role on the OT than they both play on the ST.

    I think had we still had Leia, the ST could make a case of it after IX, but sadly that won't happen. As it stands, the OT is the only trilogy that I love, the rest has interesting moments, but is superfluous imo. The PT gave us a lot of context, which was really cool, but unfortunately the acting and whole story arc of Anakin was so badly done, that trilogy is better viewed with broad strokes, just looking at the overall story it tells and not the details within.

    The ST hardly has any scope to look at it through the same broad strokes as the PT, so its merit is based solely on the interpersonal connection, Force/Family/Will of the force/Kylo and Rey duality. If you can't suspend your disbelief with that aspect of the film (Like I couldn't with PAdme and Anakin) then the rest of the movie hardly has any value without it.

    In essence the war means less in the ST as it did in both the OT and the PT (this may change after 9). The characters and the events interested me in the OT, in the PT mostly the events interested me, in the ST, the events are under developed to the point it hardly matters, and since I struggle mightily with the personal stories told in the ST and the new ideas they present to the viewer, it has little to no connectivity to me.

    I do plan on watching TLJ again at some point, hopefully before 9, so my opinion my change, but as of right now, other than the big 3 having roles in the ST, there's little that connects it to the rest of the story.

    Edit: The ST could get better for me after a few years once they've added a bunch of books and cartoons and such around it. Much like the PT in regards to Anakin's fall needed the CW. The ST will need exposition and course corrections that can only be done with added material at this point.
     
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    I view it as all one story. However, each trilogy has it's own tone, vibe, and era to differentiate each.
     
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    wait, are you me?
    on a serious note, i feel pretty much the same way, ST feels detached.
     
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