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How do you see the 1-9 Saga Now?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Jedi77-83, Apr 5, 2018.

  1. Pomojema

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    The latter two I completely get. But the first one... In hindsight, I think the whole emphasis on "Bloodline" being significant is something that the fans have misplaced. In the EU? Absolutely. But this ain't the EU anymore.

    Yeah, we know. Darth Vader fathered two kids, one of which is the greatest Jedi who ever lived or something like that. But look at who Darth Vader was before then - Anakin Skywalker, a bastard child of the Force and a mother cursed to a life of slavery. Prior to the Sequel Trilogy, he only Skywalker worth a damn in terms of the Galaxy's politics was Padmé, along with Leia, to a lesser extent. And neither of them bore the Skywalker name, ironically enough. And now, neither does the Supreme Leader.

    So now we have the Ben and Rey dynamic, which I think is interesting. One is supposedly entitled to have all these things that one would associate a "family saga" to have - except he became evil, so he doesn't get any of them - and the other just happened to be in the right place at the right time with a little help from a formless cosmic entity running through her blood. A cosmic entity, mind you, that's enforcing its will and is enacting its destiny through her, and is telling her "It don't mattah that you ain't someone famous, look at what you can do, I tells ya!" and that family is what you make of it.

    ...Huh. I didn't think I'd get a better appreciation of the new movies while typing this up and reflecting upon them, but here we are!
     
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    I still see Episode 1-6 for what it is, a great story of how a young innocent boy becomes evil and redeems himself -- along with the Prophecy and the new hero in Luke rising up.. and everything else that the 1-6 George Lucas saga has...

    but I view 7-9 as a new story. its been something like 2 decades in-universe since ROTJ when TFA starts (I think). so its a new journey
     
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    Three decades. ;)
     
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    i know EU isn't cannon anymore but i really dislike the whole concept of someone buying a franchise and then essentially everything cannon isn't cannon anymore. I personally consider the old stuff cannon no matter what the new owners say, in my mind anything that is made cannon, will always be cannon. This isn't really relevant but just wanted to say that.
    now this is something i actually disagree with. Padmé wasn't of the skywalker blood and therefore not a skywalker. Leia was a skywalker and was active in politics, in the opposition but still active. Perhaps not in the normal way since she was rebel scum but still.
     
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    If Lucasfilm kept everything canon then the future of Star Wars, from a narrative standpoint, would have been a hot mess. Character arcs would have been completely inflexible and the series wouldn't be able to explore new concepts, instead adhering to what was written before in an obscure novel that few fans even read. There's less cohesion in what they had before the buyout than what they've put out afterward. If they chose to canonize certain aspects of the series then people would have started endless stupid campaigns like #CanonizeKOTOR, #CanonizeNJO, or #CanonizeTheHolidaySpecial or something along those lines. It was an unpopular decision but an absolutely necessary one.
     
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    Agree ;);)..
     
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    i feel like it probably has two "movements" (4-6, 7-9 when completed).
    but 4-8 is all one story to me so far.
     
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    I see star wars like this...well, this is pretty close - as best as I could diagram anyway. It'll do.
    starwarsrelationships.png

    Cheers,
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    So what are the "a" and "b" sections on AOTC, TESB, and TLJ supposed to represent?
     
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    Those indicate that those films mirror themselves in lesser themes, mostly superficial structures; they're symmetrical films.

    Cheers,
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    Right now, I view the three trilogies separately. Obviously they're all still Star Wars and there are certainly connecting threads, but each trilogy still feels like its own thing to me.

    Also, as much as I love the ST so far, I think it still feels incomplete as a trilogy so far. Which is obvious, since there's still one move to come out for it, of course.
     
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    For me, Episodes 1-6 are great. Episodes 7-9 suck. Even if I end up enjoying Episode 9, I believe the entire trilogy as a whole would suck. That's basically how I see them.
     
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    Actually I ignore the bad movies or the movies that I don't watch anymore, in this case: AOTC and ROTS. TPM I really enjoy but as a single story. Its special despite the bad scenes and other things.
    Now I see the Ep. IV until Ep.IX as one great story, with great characters, they have charisma and I really care about them.
     
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    9 hasn't even wrapped filming and it already sucks?
    Troll better.
     
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    Episode IX is already doomed. TLJ painted the franchise in a corner by having 95% of the trilogy's conflicts wrapped up in the middle installment. Abrams does not have enough talent to do anything but mimic earlier, better directors so were going to end up with a watered-down remake of the (at best) third-best film of the OT. Try making a good movie by combining two films that almost belong to two completely different franchises not even in the same genre. This is already an impossible task for a master auteur let alone a second-rate director-for-hire like Abrams. Then you have the people who already hate the new films being given even more time to fester and prepare a backlash so great it will make the TLJ controversy look quaint.

    In hindsight, they should have kept Trevorrow, because he wouldn't have made IX any more worse than it will be.
     
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    I personally couldn't answer this question with any intellectual integrity until I see EIX. That's the one that is going to set things into focus as to the ST's place in the saga, if it even does. But I'm confident it will fit well. I think the writers know what they've got here, and will do their very best. I think J.J. will take counsel and create something that works well. I don't think Disney spent all that money just to be flippant with the franchise. I think fans might be that simplistic in their approach but I don't think a multi-billion-dollar entertainment business is that short-sighted.

    I'm definitely much more confident in the writers ability to produce a satisfactory work than the fanbase's ability to appreciate it. The fans are the only real unpredictable and irrational factor in this equation. But that is only as far as box-office reception goes. I'm confident that the quality will be there regardless. But until seeing it, I can't fit the ST into the saga in a meaningful way. But right now, as they saying goes, we're seeing through a glass darkly.
     
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    Unequivocally false on all counts.
     
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    I don't agree. There is nowhere to go left in the ST because Johnson wrote TLJ more like a last chapter in a story and not a middle installment. Abrams last three films felt more like remakes of movies we already saw in the 70s and 80s: Super 8 is ET meets Close Encounters, Star Trek into Darkness is Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and TFA is ANH. I failed to mention that Chris Terrio is writing the script for IX, and he is known for helping run the DCEU into the ground by writing Batman v Superman and Justice League.

    TLJ confirmed my worst fears that Disney would tarnish the SW franchise all over again after we have endured the awfulness of the Prequels. Now they want to tip the scales even further by giving THREE films to the man who directed the worst and most divisive installment since Episode I, and give yet another series of films to the duo running Game of Thrones into the ground, not to mention they are STILL thinking about making those spinoff films with Obi-wan AND Boba Fett? In total that's like seventeen films total in the franchise when all is said and done.

    Remember when Star Wars was just the original trilogy, and it was (mostly) good? Then the prequels came and the franchise became two-thirds bad? Then Lucas sold the franchise to Disney and starting pumping out one film a year? I really hope they cancel everything after IX and let this franchise rest, before we're swamped with two good movies made in the late 70s and two dozen mediocre ones made decades later trying to milk a franchise that (to be honest) ran out of steam in the mid-80s.
     
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    1. Episode 9 is far from doomed. Utter hyperbole set on evoking a weak response.

    2. Abrams is very talented. And he has more than enough talent to finish the third movie in a saga we all love but give WAY too much credit to some times.

    3. The writing with BVS wasn't the biggest issue. There's a good story in there if they had a director who knew how to tell a story.

    4. TLJ is not the worst Star Wars by an actual measure. It's objectively well made whether you like the decisions in it or not.

    5. GOT was a ridiculously niche story before B/W made it into a show. If anyone is running it into the ground, it's the guy who wont finish the story. GRRM.

    6. They've said all those spin off movies are on hold. So get them knickers out of a bunch.

    7. How do the prequels make it 2/3 bad? The hell kind of math is that?

    Anyways, I have no time for cynical folk who honestly have just nothing better to do but hate and try to drum up hate and drama.
     
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    OT - Loved
    PT - Rememberable
    ST - . . . it exists?
     
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